Showing posts with label XKK XX. Show all posts
Showing posts with label XKK XX. Show all posts

Saturday, 27 November 2010

The difference between Pale Ale and X Ales

That committee again. This time it's a female brewer doing the talking.

She gives us a glimpse of a neglected part of the brewing trade: supplying draught beer to households and institutions. It's well worth reading.

4952. When you say, " We have no difficulty in suiting the various tastes of our customers," how do you ascertain what the tastes of your customers are ? —Well, they have a right to grumble, and they write us to say, "This tastes thin." We had a list at one time of 40 different causes of complaint; one was that it was too thick, another too thin, another too sour, another too sweet, another too bitter, and all that kind of thing.

4953. Do those complaints come from public-houses ?— No, we have no public-houses whatever.

4954. All the beer you brew is consumed in private families ?—Yes, and hospitals, or clubs, or public institutions.


4955. And those are the people who write to you in that way ?—Yes ; it is too dark, or too light, or it is so pale that we are sure there is nothing in it, or it is so dark that we are sure it cannot be malt and hops. We had a list made out of 40 different sorts of complaints.

4956. Do you brew afresh to meet those different complaints ?—Oh, dear, no, we should never get to the end of our work if we did that.

4957. You write a sufficient explanation back of the reason ?—Sometimes we do, and sometimes we send them something different. For instance, if we send our XX beer, and they say it is too high-coloured, the next time we send them a pale ale, perhaps a little lighter in gravity, but with a different flavour.

4958. There is a good deal of fancy, I suppose, from the consumers' point of view ?—I daresay there is. They do not think so, probably. There are plenty of other people who will supply them if we do not.

4959. But you are only too ready to meet their objections so far as you are able to do so ?—Exactly.

4960. And you meet them by sending pale ale to the persons who complain that the beer is too dark ?—Exactly.

4961. Are there any marked differences between the price of production in those two classes?—Yes, the pale ale must be brewed from very choice malt. It must be brewed from a choice pale malt, and it has to be attenuated very low so as to be a clean drinking beer, and fermentation probably is carried on at a very much lower temperature, and the mashing is also at a different temperature.

4962. It is a distinct process almost—the difference between pale ale and the ordinary beer?—Yes, it is a different thing. Of course, it is modified very much.

4963. Which do you find the most popular in the market ?—Pale ale.

4964. That is a more costly drink to produce ?—Yes, but we can send it out for 1s. a gallon, or at 1s. 2d. we send a very good pale ale out.

4965. Whatever the demand is, whether it is for a weaker or a lighter beer, or pale ale, you are able to produce that from barley-malt and hops alone ?— Decidedly.

4966. Without the use of any substitute or adjunct at all ?—Without the use of any substitute or adjunct, except, of course, I do not say that we use no preservative. I do not think there is a brewer in England anywhere who does not use a certain amount of bi-sulphite.

4967- May I ask. also—but do not answer if you think it contrary to the interest of the trade—do you go through any process of hardening the water which you use ?— Certainly.

4968. I think that is the case in almost all the breweries in the south of England ?—It is quite necessary for good pale ale brewing but not for mild ale brewing.
"Minutes of evidence taken before the Departmental committee on beer materials", 1899, page 184.
Evidence given by Mr.s O.A. Frederica Lovibond, Managing Director of Henry Lovibond & Son.

Those whingy customers. What bastards. No pleasing some people.

I wonder how many hospitals buy draught beer today? Slightly fewer than one, I would guess.

Let's summarise what Mrs. Lovibond has revealed:

  • XX Ale was darker than Pale Ale
  • Pale Ale was lower gravity than XX
  • Pale Ale was more expensive to brew
  • Pale Ale was brewed from the best pale malt
  • Pale Ale was highly attenuated
  • Pale Ale tasted different to XX
  • Pale Ale had a lower fermentation temperature
  • Pale Ale used a different mashing temperature
  • the water was hardened for Pale Ale, but not for X Ales

It's been very informative, I'm sure you'll agree.

Friday, 7 August 2009

Beer code update

Here are more details of the Fullers beer code beers.

Look at the different water treatments. What does that tell us? Why are some beers dry-hopped and others not? (This is getting to sound like a BHCP exam paper.) You brewers can probably explain it better than me.

The X grists caught my eye. Amber and crystal.

Tell me if you can spot any patterns.


IPA 13th April 1887
all gypsum liquor
39 pale malt
12 sugar
Kent hops
GK hops
Hopped down on Tuesday April 26th with Marton's E. Kent
1886 hops, att 6.5, Heat of store 52, bright and of good colour & flavour


X 15th April 1887
22 PA malt
can't see any water treatment
12 amber
5 crystal
13 sugar
Kent hops
GK hops
1/2 Pumped over Thursday 21st April Att 4.9
& remainder Friday evening Broke in 10 barrels Vat beer
4 barrels Porter & 2 barrels T.B.


XXK for vatting 19th April 1887
all soft liquor run over gypsum
64 pale malt
2 crystal
22 sugar
Worcester hops
GK hops
Poperinge hops
Pumped over into bottling batch Tuesday Morning 26th April
and run into No. 13 vat next day



AK 21st April 1887
all soft liquor run over gypsum
32 pale malt
10 sugar
Worcester hops
GK hops
Hopped down on Tuesday May 3rd with Atkinson's Worcester 1886
hops, att. 5.1, Heat of store 51, bright and of good colour and flavour


X and XX 23rd April 1887
22 PA malt
all soft liquor
30 amber
13 sugar
Worcester hops
GK hops
XX
Hopped down on Wednesday May 4th with Atkinson's Worcester 1886
hops, att. 8.4, Heat of store 49.5, bright and of good colour and flavour


XKK 4th May 1887
all gypsum liquor
28 pale malt Chilean
9 sugar
Worcester hops
GK hops
Hopped down on Tuesday May 17th with Marton's EK 1886
hops, att. 5.5, Heat of store 55, bright and of good colour and flavour


XK and AK 8th August 1887
all gypsum liquor
28 pale malt Chilean
6 sugar
Worcester hops
GK hops
XK
Hopped down on Saturday Aug 20th with Worcester 1886 hops,
att. 5.8, Heat of store 63, bright and of good colour and flavour
AK
Hopped down on Aug 20th with Worcester 1886 hops,
att. 5.3, bright and of good colour and flavour