A look at the history of an iconic beer - Guinness Extra Stout.
Time to look at the bottled beers in Whitbread’s 1934 price list. Which includes, in addition to the four beers brewed in their Chiswell Street brewery, several produced elsewhere. Which is handy, as it gives a better idea of the beers actually available in a London pub.
The four Chiswell Street beers are the first in list. There appear to be four beers: London Stout, Oatmeal Stout, India Pale Ale and Double Brown. Though the two Stouts were, in reality, identical.
The two Forest beers came from the Forest Gate Hill brewery, which Whitbread bought in 1924. One of their main reasons for purchasing the brewery was to get hold of modern, sediment-free bottling technology. Whitbread having stuck with bottle-conditioning until after WW I.
Based on the price, I’m guessing that the two Forest beers were around 1040º. Hang on. I have an analysis from 1934. It gives the OG as 1039º. So, my guess was pretty close.
Pioneer Ale and Stout were brands of the Lovibond brewery. Not sure why Whitbread were selling them, as I can’t find any connection between the two breweries. I know from analyses in the Whitbread Gravity Book that both beers were around 1030º.
As already mentioned, Mackeson Milk Stout was being sold at a premium. Based on its gravity in the mid-1050ºs , it falls in the 9d per pint class. But it was sold for 10d per pint.
Something similar is happening with Guinness Extra Stout and Bass Pale Ale. Both of those also had gravities in the mid-1050ºs, but also retailed at 10d per pint. Which was a 1d per pint premium over the expected price.
Both Bass and Guinness were widely available in other brewers’ tied houses. Usually being bottled by the other brewery, too. The premium charged reflects the renown of the two beers.
In addition to the above prices, a deposit was charged on the bottles of 1d per half pint, 2d per pint and 3d per flagon. Which, especially in the case of cheaper beers, was a considerable percentage of the total price paid.
| Whitbread's bottled beers in 1934 | |||||
| Per doz. Botts | Per doz. Half-botts | crates of four flagons | |||
| Wholesale | Retail | Wholesale | Wholesale | Retail | |
| London Stout | 6/1d | 8/- | — | 3/10d | 5/- |
| do. ("Special Whitbread") | — | — | 3/6d | — | — |
| Oatmeal Stout | 6/1d | 8/- | — | 3/10d | 5/- |
| India Pale Ale | 5/4d | 7/- | — | 3/4d | 4/4d |
| do. ("Small Whitbread") | — | — | 3/1d | — | — |
| Double Brown | 7/- | 9/- | 4/- | 4/5d | 5/8d |
| (A fine strong ale) | |||||
| FOREST ALE AND STOUT | |||||
| Oatmeal Stout | 5/4d | 7/- | 3/1d | 3/4d | 4/4d |
| Brown Ale | 5/4d | 7/- | 3/1d | 3/4d | 4/4d |
| PIONEER ALE AND STOUT | |||||
| Family Stout | 4/6d | 6/- | — | 2/10d | 3/8d |
| Family Ale | 4/6d | 6/- | — | 2/10d | 3/8d |
| MACKESON'S MILK STOUT | |||||
| Milk Stout | 7/8d | 10/- | 4/2d | 4/10d | 6/- |
| Bass | 8/8d | 10/- | 5/- | ||
| Guinness | 8/8d | 10/- | 5/- | ||
| Bass Barley Wine in nips | |||||
| Source: | |||||
| A 1934 Whitbread price list. | |||||
Another Guinness bottling controversy. This time about the use of corks. Which Guinness wanted to phase out in favour of crown corks.
The brilliant thing about this video is that it shows hand bottling at the pub. The beer is in wooden hogsheads, which is filled in bottles and then corked.
It's wonderful to see just how the bottling process worked.
Here's a reminder of when Guinness was bottled by publicans. In this case, using corked crockery bottles.
At one time, this was how most Guinness was bottled in Ireland. In the pub where it would be sold. This was one of the main reasons Guinness Extra Stout remained bottle conditioned. Publican bottlers didn't have the equipment to artificially carbonate.
Anyone know when publicans stopped bottling in Ireland?
The floured Scottish barley from last year, from Younger, particularly impressed our farmers, mostly landlords.- I still kept a little of it, but if you can get a small sample (in a bottle) of similarly floured barley in Burton, it would not hurt to have it for reference at another opportunity.
The Danish farmers were impressed by Scottish barley, but rather bemused by the use of Chilean barley. Something which was very common in UK brewing.
They were also surprised to see the rather narrow and spiked Oderbruck barley and to hear that such barley was sought after in England. Here, they believe that a high weight is the one decisive factor. They could not understand at all that an English brewer could use such chili barley, which I showed them the malt from, and I really do not understand how it is profitable to malt such barley with a malt tax of 21 sh 9d per quarter. It must be extremely cheap. Do you know the price of it? What barley does Evershed use? and what is the price now in Burton? They use as simple barley there as in Edinburgh.
Yes, Chilean barley was cheap. But not ridiculously cheap. It also had some characteristics - such as nitrogen and protein content - which mad it a good complement to UK barley.
The next bit I found particularly interesting.
I had the company of Tietgen at the table. He strongly recommended visiting the Porter breweries, especially Guinness in Dublin, and then visiting Drogheda (pronounced Droggeda), whose mild ales were famous and cheap. They found a large market, among others, in Liverpool and Manchester. When I expressed my surprise that you had not mentioned Drogheda's beer, he said that the English, out of jealousy of the Irish, tried to ignore it.- He also advised an excursion from Dublin to Waterford, where there, as in several places in Ireland, was a very interesting church from the time of the Danes and the road to it led through the most beautiful parts of Ireland.- But we will hardly have time for that this time.
Guinness Stout was already pretty famous by this point But Drogheda Mild Ales? That's a surprise. It was a pretty small town and brewers there, such as Cairnes, were wuite small.
A church dating back to the time of the Vikings in Ireland must have been pretty old.
| Dublin Porter Shipments 1894 - 1899 | ||||||||
| 1894 | 1895 | 1896 | 1897 | 1896 | 1897 | 1898 | 1899 | |
| Guinness and Son | 443,629.5 | 425,833.5 | 413,344.5 | 418,921.5 | 413,344.5 | 418,921.5 | 415,225.5 | 479,535 |
| Mountjoy Brewery | 24,522 | 24,322.5 | 28,588.5 | 31,176 | 31,095 | 33,907.5 | 33,561 | 33,205.5 |
| Jameson, Pim | 24,747 | 28,378.5 | 31,098 | 33,907.5 | 28,588.5 | 31,176 | 34,554 | 33,033 |
| Watkins | 39,465 | 33,004.5 | 32,302.5 | 30,501 | 32,304 | 30,501 | 25,242 | 18,630 |
| D'Arcy and Son | 24,402 | 22,033.5 | 25,204.5 | 25,914 | 25,204.5 | 25,914 | 25,740 | 22,935 |
| Phoenix Brewery | 20,133 | 18,049.5 | 17,554.5 | 13,447.5 | 17,554.5 | 13,447.5 | 12,732 | 11,586 |
| E. & J. Burke | 14,014.5 | 13,741.5 | 11,316 | 8,302.5 | ||||
| All others | 1,234.5 | 3,333 | 4,890 | 3,700.5 | 16,206 | 12,003 | 5,881.5 | 15,198 |
| Total | 592,147.5 | 568,696.5 | 564,298.5 | 565,870.5 | 564,298.5 | 565,870.5 | 552,942 | 614,122.5 |
| Source: | ||||||||
| The Brewers' Journal vol. 36 1900, January 15th 1900, page 9. | ||||||||
| The Brewers' Journal vol. 34 1898, January 15th 1898, page 36. | ||||||||
| Dublin Porter Shipments 1900 - 1908 | |||||||
| 1900 | 1901 | 1902 | 1905 | 1906 | 1907 | 1908 | |
| Guinness and Son | 544,792.5 | 557,806.5 | 557,236.5 | 600,318 | 650,980.5 | 670,503 | 687,486 |
| Mountjoy Brewery | 33,105 | 34,278 | 33,915 | 30,498 | 29,562 | 27,513 | 25,522.5 |
| Jameson, Pim | 32,050.5 | 32,128.5 | 28,668 | ||||
| Watkins | 17,782.5 | 16,656 | 21,552 | 38,544 | 39,481.5 | 36,541.5 | 36,175.5 |
| D'Arcy and Son | 23,326.5 | 23,056.5 | 15,201 | 23,493 | 27,789 | 23,472 | 21,946.5 |
| Phoenix Brewery | 10,033.5 | 8,133 | 7,423.5 | ||||
| All others | 12,511.5 | 17,737.5 | 21,696 | 228 | - | - | 22,834.5 |
| Total | 673,602.0 | 689,796 | 685,692 | 692,991 | 747,813 | 758,029.5 | 768,457.5 |
| Source: | |||||||
| The Brewers' Journal vol. 38 1902, January 15th 1902, page 9. | |||||||
| The Brewers' Journal vol. 39 1903, January 15th 1903, page 8. | |||||||
| The Brewers' Journal vol. 45 1909, January 15th 1909, page 8. | |||||||
The discussion which was initiated by Mr. Babington, at the June meeting of the London Institute of Brewing, opened out a very interesting, and, at the same time, a very puzzling question. The timber used in making brewers’ casks is, and has been for countless years, nothing but oak. It is a curious fact, however, that the only kind of oak practically ever used for making casks in which ale is to be stored is that hailing from the Baltic seaports, in other words, the Memel timber.
The Brewers' Journal vol. 38 1902, October 15th 1902, page 589.
There was, however, one UK brewer bucking this trend.
We believe we are correct in stating that the largest firm of stout brewers in the world use nothing but American timber, and they find it in every way satisfactory. But, from long experience, no brewer of ale will be found who can depend on the Quebec oak as a receptacle for his fine produce. At Guinness’s no cooper ever makes an entire cask. The rough hewn Quebec planks are trimmed by one man, passed on to the next for shaping, and so on, until at length they are pieced together and hooped at the other end of the shop.
The Brewers' Journal vol. 38 1902, October 15th 1902, page 589.
Can you guess who that one brewer might be? Largest Stout brewer in the world? It has to be Guinness.
Given that Memel oak was expensive, there was an incentive to use the cheaper North American oak. Prompting brewers to attempt various treatments to remove the woody flavour. All to no avail.
The question, however, that interests us, is why we cannot use the American timber for ale casks? Mr. Babington merely expressed the experience of numerous other ale brewers, when he gave that of his own firm. “We fired our Quebec-timber casks; we steamed them; we boiled them ; we boiled with salt water; we stood them for days; we filled them with sour beer; we bi-sulphited them. They went into the trade, and came back with ‘neat’ beer labelled ‘casky.’ Many experiments have been made with a view to elucidate this mystery of the Quebec timber — all to no purpose, we regret to state. One of Mr. Babington’s friends in the coopering trade tried very drastic treatment. He tried common soda with hot water for varying numbers of hours; soda with alum or salts of tartar; salts of tartar with copperas and boiling water; common salt in varying quantities; lime; solution of pearl ash — all, as we have said, to no purpose." Even coating with paraffin did not eliminate the woody flavour. It is true that this now well-known process will render casks less porous, and should thus tend to remedy the evils attendant upon the use of American oak, or any other variety; but, as it happens, the Quebec timber is by no means of a very porous nature; and, except for this curious property of communicating casky flavours to ale, it appears to be an ideal substance for making brewers’ vessels.
The Brewers' Journal vol. 38 1902, October 15th 1902, page 589.
Not even lining the casks the casks with paraffin helped.
There was scientific research being undertaken into the various types of oak. Though, up unto that point, without any definitive result.
We must confess that some of the methods of treating casks detailed by Mr. Babington do not recommend themselves to us, and, indeed, seem more likely to injure than to cure. For instance, we have never advocated the custom of “pickling” barrels in brine. It is our experience that casks treated with common salt are most difficult to get dry; indeed, they never appear to become thoroughly ary after such treatment, and no doubt the use of pungent chemicals must take some of the “nature” out of the timber, however hard it may be originally. It is very interesting to note that Mr. Matthew J. Cannon is making some experiments on the chemical nature of the various types of oak used in breweries. The tests he has already applied do not afford us any definite information, but his work is, as yet, in its infancy, and he may ere long have some more definite announcement to make. When the nature of these various woods has been established by research, Mr. Cannon will be in a better position to treat his subject scientifically. It is obvious that we must not rob the timber of its valuable resinous constituents, nor of its tannin, for these substances act as powerful preservative agents. We await with deep interest the elucidation of this important problem, as the timber imported from the Baltic is very dear, and it seems rather an odd thing that the good, sound Quebec wood cannot be used in our breweries, on account of practical reasons that, at present, admit of no satisfactory explanation.
The Brewers' Journal vol. 38 1902, October 15th 1902, page 589.
What was the ultimate resolution? Moving from wooden to metal casks.
James's Gate Brewery, Dublin, 25th February, 1873
"Dear Mrs. Plunkett,
We have the pleasure of stating that we are purchasing considerable quantities of your Patent Brown Malt, and find it of very good quality. We would alio say that our connection with your Firm and that of your husband, the late Mr. Randal Plunkett, and his father, extends over fifty years, during which we have had large and satisfactory transactions.
ARTHUR GUINNESS, SONS & CO.
Mrs. Eliza Plunkett, Belle Vue.
The above text comes rom a Plunkett Brothers advertisement in "The Theory and Practice of Modern Brewing" by Frank Faulkner, 1888. By which time Guinness hhad probably swapped out the Patent Brown Malt for roast barley. I know for certain that they were using roast barley in 1894, because I've seen it in a bbrewing record.
Plunkett Brothers produced an impressive range of roast grains:
Chocolate Finest Patent Malt Roasted for Flavor.
Finest Patent Malt Roasted for flavor and color.
No. 1 Patent Roasted Black Malt for color.
No. 2 Patent Roasted Black Malt for color.
Patent Roasted Barley.
Patent Roasted Maize (Patent granted June, '80)
Special “Candied” Malt (Registered March 31, '85)
Golden Finish Malt.
No. 1 Amber Brown Malt.
No. 2 Amber Brown Matt.
High-dried Pale Malt.
I wonder what roasted maize was like? And what the hell it was used for.
I rise a little after eight. Then trapse downstairs to the bar for brekkie.
The big question is: should I get the traditional or the large Irish breakfast? Good sense prevails, and I plump for the large. Only joking. I’m not a total pig.
Is a description necessary? It’s a Wetherspoons breakfast. Functional, is the word that comes to mind. A way to efficiently load up on calories for the day. Two mugs of tea, too. Proper tea. Strong and milky.
I have to ask at the Storehouse information desk for Eibhlin Colgan, the archivist. And soon she’s leading me up to the reading room. Where she already has the volumes I’m going to consult.
There are eight in total: two Cherry, two Perry and four Cairnes. Covering a pretty decent span of years, between them. 1876 to 1966. Lots to get my teeth stuck into.
I wouldn’t describe the work of photographing brewing records as fun. It isn’t. Tedious. Repetitive. Filthy, sometimes. Backbreaking. Mostly just boring.
Pages are turned, photos are taken. Occasionally, I’ll pause to take a look. More so at the start than at the end of the session.
At lunch, I notice that my phone is down to 38% battery. Which is a bit worrying. I ask about charging it while I eat. Unfortunately, I’ve only brought a USB cable. Damn.
It makes the afternoon session even more frantic than usual. I start to regret how much time I spent on some of the Cairnes records this morning.
When I finish, I’ve still a little battery left. But that was much more stressful than it needed to be. Stress is the last thing I need.
1,000 snaps snapped, I head back to my hotel. Where I recharge my phone and copy all those valuable photos to my laptop. After all the effort it took to take them, I wouldn’t want to lose them by dropping my phone or having it nicked.
In one taxi, I explained to the driver what type of pub I like. Old men’s pubs, basically. One he recommended was Cassidy’s, just over the road from my hotel. After nipping into Tesco Express to pick up a couple of sandwiches (and Taytos cheese and onion crisps) for my tea, I drop by there.
It is, as advertised, and old-fashioned sort of pub. The perfect place to try out the Guinness.
I’m not expecting a sensory overload. Let’s be honest: Draught Guinness is pretty bland. But this pint is smooth and easy to drink. With the vaguest flicker of roast lurking somewhere in its shadows.
I quite like quiet times in pubs. Though his one is by no means empty, there’s plenty of space for me to fill with my fat arse. But still enough fellow customers to observe to keep things interesting.
Only the one pint. I’m not made of fucking money. I retreat back to the ‘Spoons. And the warm embrace off cheap cask beer. I enjoyed the Brehon Black Hills so much yesterday, I get myself another. Which I take to my room. Where whisky I don’t need to pay for (again) is waiting for me.
This isn’t going to be a very pubby trip. I’ve a busy schedule and don’t want to knack myself just hanging around in pubs. Much as I love doing that.
Instead, I hang around my room a bit. Nibbling on my Tesco sarnies and sipping my hotel whisky. While watching some shit TV on my laptop.
It’s me chasing the whisky to sleep today.
Cassidys
42 Camden Street Lower,
Saint Kevin's,
Dublin 2,
D02 YP57.
In a review published recently in the Irish financial journal, Business and Finance, Lord Iveagh, chairman of Guinness, points to the expansion of lager as being the most significant feature of his company's Irish activities in the 1960s, with particular reference to the development of Harp. In 1959, total beer sales comsprised 89 per cent stout, 9.5 per cent ale, and 1.5 per cent lager; in 1969, the proportions are expected to be about 73 per cent stout, 20 per cent ale and 7 per cent lager. Lord Iveagh comments that while more stout is being sold than in 1959 it now makes up only three-quarters of Guinness sales in Eire.
Looking forward to the 1970’s, in Eire the chairman expects increased production capacity to meet the growth of home demand for beer and a more rapid expansion in ale and lager than in stout.
Brewers' Guardian, Volume 99, February 1970, page 77.
The growth of Lager in the 1960s parallels what happened in the UK. Though Lager had advanced a little further in Ireland, with 7% of the market compared to 6% in the UK.* The growth over the course of the decade was truly impressive.
Though lagging far behind the advances of Lager, Ale had still managed to double its market share. Which is interesting. I assume that this was mostly in the form of Pale Ale. I wonder what has happened since? Did its share increase in the 1970s? Does Ale hold as much as 20% still?
This next little bit is very revealing, if you understand what it means.
Guinness has no intention of playing a significant part in the retailing of the company's products but will have to pay attention to packaging and distribution in the ’70’s.
Brewers' Guardian, Volume 99, February 1970, page 77.
That basically means: we aren't going to buy pubs. Which, indeed, was what they did.
Most intriguing was this:
The company intends to encourage the small hop industry that has emerged in Eire over the past couple of years, that it may make a significant contribution, in the future, to the company’s total requirements.
Brewers' Guardian, Volume 99, February 1970, page 77.
What happened to the Irish hop industry? Has it ever provided a significant quantity of Guinness's hop requirements? I somehow doubt it.
* “The Brewers' Society Statistical Handbook 1990” page 17.
When I was nosing around the website of Dirk van den Broek* for my recent trendy post, I noticed something rather odd about Guinness.
And it wasn't just annoyance at seeing Guinness Special Export on their website, when my local one doesn't stock it. Which is really irritating when they do sell the stupid "draught" version. Which is sort of what I'm coming around to.
This is how canned "Draught" Guinness is listed at Dirk's. See if you can spot anything odd:
You probably couldn't spot it. I know I didn't the first few times I looked at it. "Guinness Pilsener stout draught". What? Guinness is a Pilsener?
When I stopped laughing, I started to wonder: how could this have happened? What was the person thinking who wrote this?
All I can come up with is: they think Pilsener is synonymous with beer; or that all draught beer is Pilsener.
Do you have a better theory? Let me know.
* A Dutch supermarket chain. Most similar UK equivalent is Morrisons.
This bunch is even more dominated by London brewers. Only one is definitely from elsewhere: Guinness. Plus one whose origin in uncertain, Yule. That being the name of the retailer who was presumably selling a brewer's Imperial Stout under their own name.
I was interested to see Reid popping up as well as their later partners Combe. It looks as if Reid had pulled out of the Scottish market - or at least stopped advertising - by 1900. I wonder why that was.
Based on the prices, there's a variation in strength here, too. The only ones which look too be the full Imperial strength are those selling for 2s 9d and 3s per reputed pint. Which equates to 4.1d and 4.75d per imperial pint. Those costing 2s 2d and 2s 3d (3.25d and 3.375d per Imperial pint couldn't have an OG of 1075º-1080º. Not quite as weak as some of the draught versions, but still well off Imperial Stout strength and more like a Double Stout.
I'm pretty sure that Guinness didn't brew a Stout stronger than Extra Stout or Foreign Extra Stout, both of which had an OG of 1075º. Which fits in neatly with the price of 2.25d per reputed pint. I can't remember seeing Guinness Extra Stout sold as Imperial Stout in England. I wonder why it was in Scotland?
Don't get the impression no-one in Scotland was brewing the style. I just couldn't find any adverts which included prices. For example, Devanha of Aberdeen advertised their own Imperial Stout.
| Bottled Imperial Stout sold in Scotland 1880 - 1889 | |||||
| year | Brewery | Place | beer | price (per doz) | size |
| 1880 | Reid | London | Imperial Stout | 6s | reputed quart |
| 1880 | Reid | London | Imperial Stout | 3s | reputed pint |
| 1880 | Truman | London | XXX or Imperial Stout | 6s | reputed quart |
| 1880 | Truman | London | XXX or Imperial Stout | 3s | reputed pint |
| 1883 | Barclay Perkins | London | Imperial London Stout | 2s 2d | reputed pint |
| 1883 | Combe | London | Imperial London Stout | 2s 2d | reputed pint |
| 1885 | Barclay Perkins | London | Imperial Stout | 2s 9d | reputed pint |
| 1885 | Guinness | Dublin | Imperial Stout | 2s 3d | reputed pint |
| 1885 | Truman | London | Imperial Stout | 2s 9d | reputed pint |
| 1885 | Unknown | London | Imperial Stout | 3s | reputed pint |
| 1886 | Combe | London | Imperial or XXX Stout | 2s 9d | reputed pint |
| 1886 | Unknown | London | Imperial XXX London Stout | 2s 6d | reputed pint |
| 1888 | Reid | London | Imperial Stout | 5s | bottle |
| 1888 | Reid | London | Imperial Stout | 2s 7d | half bottle |
| 1888 | Yule | ?? | Imperial Stout | 2s 2d | reputed pint |
| 1889 | A. Gordon & Co. | London | Imperial Stout | 4s 6d | pint |
| Sources: | |||||
| Elgin Courant, and Morayshire Advertiser - Friday 06 February 1880, page 1. | |||||
| Dundee Weekly News - Saturday 22 December 1883, page 8. | |||||
| East of Fife Record - Friday 25 September 1885, page 1. | |||||
| Stirling Observer - Thursday 24 December 1885, page 1. | |||||
| East of Fife Record - Friday 25 September 1885, page 1. | |||||
| East of Fife Record - Friday 20 July 1883, page 1. | |||||
| East of Fife Record - Friday 12 November 1886 page 1. | |||||
| Dundee Courier - Tuesday 12 January 1886, page 1. | |||||
| Leith Burghs Pilot - Saturday 01 December 1888, page 1. | |||||
| Aberdeen Evening Express - Thursday 08 March 1888, page 1. | |||||
I loved bottle-conditioned Guinness so much. Never had it corked, mind
Dead impressed the bloke can pick the corked sample.
“would not be possible to secure imports from Great Britain or to make an effort to arrange for manufacture in Northern Ireland so that workers could not held to ransom "every time it suits certain people.””
Belfast News-Letter - Wednesday 10 November 1943, page 5.
The export ban lasted longer this time, stretching out to more than a month. Supplies of Guinness resumed on 6th December 1943. I’m sure the 300 barmen who had lost their jobs were delighted. Though a quota of only 75% of the 1941 quantities was provided. But at least there was Guinness again.
Once more, the exact nature of the deal between the UK and the Republic of Ireland wasn’t made public. Presumably it did entail Ireland getting its hands on more grain one way or another.
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