I chat about Kulmbacher, one of my favourite extinct Lager styles. Strong and heavily hopped - why haven't modern brewers jumped all over this style?
I chat about Kulmbacher, one of my favourite extinct Lager styles. Strong and heavily hopped - why haven't modern brewers jumped all over this style?
| 1941 Youngs X Ale | ||
| mild malt | 5.50 lb | 83.33% |
| crystal malt 120 L | 0.675 lb | 10.23% |
| malt extract | 0.125 lb | 1.89% |
| No. 3 invert sugar | 0.25 lb | 3.79% |
| caramel 1000 SRM | 0.05 lb | 0.76% |
| Fuggles 120 min | 0.50 oz | |
| Fuggles 30 min | 0.50 oz | |
| OG | 1030 | |
| FG | 1006.5 | |
| ABV | 3.11 | |
| Apparent attenuation | 78.33% | |
| IBU | 13 | |
| SRM | 13.5 | |
| Mash at | 152º F | |
| Sparge at | 170º F | |
| Boil time | 120 minutes | |
| pitching temp | 59º F | |
| Yeast | WLP002 English Ale | |
| Youngs beers in 1940 | |||||||
| Beer | Style | OG | FG | ABV | App. Atten-uation | lbs hops/ qtr | hops lb/brl |
| A | Mild | 1029 | 1005.5 | 3.10 | 80.90% | 6.14 | 0.71 |
| X | Mild | 1034 | 1005 | 3.84 | 85.34% | 5.60 | 0.81 |
| PAB | Pale Ale | 1039 | 1008.3 | 4.06 | 78.69% | 7.00 | 1.07 |
| PA | Pale Ale | 1047 | 1012.7 | 4.53 | 72.89% | 7.00 | 1.29 |
| P | Porter | 1034 | 1008.3 | 3.40 | 75.56% | 7.00 | 0.99 |
| S | Stout | 1052 | 1016.6 | 4.68 | 68.04% | 7.00 | 1.52 |
| XXX | Strong Ale | 1055 | 1017.2 | 5.00 | 68.77% | 5.60 | 1.31 |
| XXXX | Strong Ale | 1081 | 1036 | 5.95 | 55.54% | 6.09 | 2.00 |
| Source: | |||||||
| Young's brewing record held at Battersea Library, document number YO/RE/1/9. | |||||||
Sorry. I was a bit tired of transcribing Young's WW II brewing records. (I'm only up to 19 fucking 42. So much more to go. Just as well I'm no longer working. Sorry, employed. I work at this shit for big chunks of the day.)
A deep dive into one of my favourite styles.
Maybe I'll continue with the pure beer stuff. Like next week, when I'll be doing some Grodziskie judging in, er, Grodzisk. I can see how that might have some historical value. If I make an effort and interview people.
The more I think about it, that's exactly what I should do. Not just video my breakfast.
Thanks for that. It's really cleared that up in my head. And given me a plan for next week in Grodzisk.
Not been to Poland for 30 years. I'm guessing it might have changed a little bit.
My mate Charles Guerrier told me that Vietnam was the best place for beer in Southeast Asia. And Saigon in particular. So I was very optimistic of the beer I would find there.
Which wasn't something I felt in Bangkok. Admittedly, I wasn't really hanging out in beer places. And the choice was limited to the local Lager or stuff imported from Europe. I went for the former. As what's the point in travelling thousands of miles and drinkinmg beer you can get at home?
As I was stopping slap bang in the centre of Saigon, there were beery options close to my hotel. I wasn't going to miss out on those.
The first place I tried was East West Brewing. A brewpub. Sort of. As, due to council restrictions, it no longer brews on site. Despite the shiny equipment at the back. Which is a shame.
East West's beers, wherever they might be brewed, are still pretty good. All very much in mainstream modern styles: Pale Ale, IPA, Hefeweize, Witbier, Lager, Pilsner, Vanilla Porter, Imperial Stout, Belgian Dark and Belgian Blonde. (At least, that's what they had on draught when I was there. I'm sure that it varies somewhat.) A good spread of styles, strengths and colours. Not just twenty types of fucking IPA.
Any guesses what I went for? Imperial Stout, obviously.
I met with Nhi Mai, brewer at East West. A smart young woman, who explained some of the vagaries of brewing Saigon. Such as the council forbidding brewing in the city centre on account of the waste water.
We shared a few beers in both East West and another nearby former brewpub, Pasteur Street, conveniently just 150 metres further along the same street. They also brew quite a few typical styles: Lager, Blonde Ale, Irish Stout, Pale Ale, Jasmine Amber, Session IPA, Pomelo IPA, Jasmine IPA, Double Jasmine IPA, and Imperial Chocolate Stout. Rather more IPA-heavy than East West.
What did I choose? No, it wasn't the Imperial Stout. I was being sensible and just had a Double Jasmine IPA, at a mere 8.5%. (I did, however, try the Imperial Stout when I returned the next day.)
The beers from both breweries were all technically good and pretty decent examples of the styles. Better than some of the beers I've had in Holland or the USA, for example.
I was pretty impressed. And I only scratched the surface. Ho Chi Minh has many more breweries and beer bars. I can heartily recommend it.
East West Brewing
181 Lý Tự Trọng,
Bến Thành,
Hồ Chí Minh.
https://eastwestbrewing.vn/taproom/ho-chi-minh
Pasteur Street Craft Beer
112 Lý Tự Trọng,
Hồ Chí Minh.
https://pasteurstreet.com/
A companion video:
Someone suggested that I post about the food that I ate in Thailand and Vietnam. Being a lazy git, I've done it in the form of a short video.
I had lots of excellent food in both countries. Mostly local stuff. But who can resist a bacon baguette for breakfast? Or to top up when the meal wasn't quite filling enough.
What I forgot, was to video the banh mi that I had in Vietnam.Excellent stuff. If slightly weird, as they all contained pate. Making it a true fusion dish of French and Vietnamese cuisine.
In Bangkok, once I realised I had to ask for the food "just a little spicy" if I wanted to get it spiced, but not crazily spiced. Every meal I had came with a fried egg. You can never go wrong with a fried egg on top of stuff.
For the first time I stray outside the UK with one of my videos, taking a look at the cheap and cheerful pale and dark 3.5% Dutch Lagers from before WW II.
| 1939 Youngs Stout | ||
| mild malt | 6.75 lb | 58.06% |
| black malt | 0.875 lb | 7.53% |
| amber malt | 1.25 lb | 10.75% |
| crystal malt 120 L | 0.875 lb | 7.53% |
| flaked oats | 0.625 lb | 5.38% |
| No. 3 invert sugar | 0.625 lb | 5.38% |
| caramel 500 SRM | 0.625 lb | 5.38% |
| Fuggles 120 min | 1.75 oz | |
| Fuggles 30 min | 1.75 oz | |
| OG | 1053 | |
| FG | 1016.5 | |
| ABV | 4.83 | |
| Apparent attenuation | 68.87% | |
| IBU | 40 | |
| SRM | 43 | |
| Mash at | 152º F | |
| Sparge at | 170º F | |
| Boil time | 120 minutes | |
| pitching temp | 60º F | |
| Yeast | WLP002 English Ale | |
Time to look at the bottled beers in Whitbread’s 1934 price list. Which includes, in addition to the four beers brewed in their Chiswell Street brewery, several produced elsewhere. Which is handy, as it gives a better idea of the beers actually available in a London pub.
The four Chiswell Street beers are the first in list. There appear to be four beers: London Stout, Oatmeal Stout, India Pale Ale and Double Brown. Though the two Stouts were, in reality, identical.
The two Forest beers came from the Forest Gate brewery, which Whitbread bought in ????. One of their main reasons for purchasing the brewery was to get hold of modern, sediment-free bottling technology. Whitbread having stuck with bottle-conditioning until after WW I.
Based on the price, I’m guessing that the two Forest beers were around 1040º. Hang on. I have an analysis from 1934. It gives the OG as 1039º. So, my guess was pretty close.
Pioneer Ale and Stout were brands of the Lovibond brewery. Not sure why Whitbread were selling them, as I can’t find any connection between the two breweries. I know from analyses in the Whitbread Gravity Book that both beers were around 1030º.
As already mentioned, Mackeson Milk Stout was being sold at a premium. Based on its gravity in the mid-1050ºs , it falls in the 9d per pint class. But it was sold for 10d per pint.
Something similar is happening with Guinness Extra Stout and Bass Pale Ale. Both of those also had gravities in the mid-1050ºs, but also retailed at 10d per pint. Which was a 1d per pint premium over the expected price.
Both Bass and Guinness were widely available in other brewers’ tied houses. Usually being bottled by the other brewery, too. The premium charged reflects the renown of the two beers.
In addition to the above prices, a deposit was charged on the bottles of 1d per half pint, 2d per pint and 3d per flagon. Which, especially in the case of cheaper beers, was a considerable percentage of the total price paid.
| Whitbread's bottled beers in 1934 | |||||
| Per doz. Botts | Per doz. Half-botts | crates of four flagons | |||
| Wholesale | Retail | Wholesale | Wholesale | Retail | |
| London Stout | 6/1d | 8/- | — | 3/10d | 5/- |
| do. ("Special Whitbread") | — | — | 3/6d | — | — |
| Oatmeal Stout | 6/1d | 8/- | — | 3/10d | 5/- |
| India Pale Ale | 5/4d | 7/- | — | 3/4d | 4/4d |
| do. ("Small Whitbread") | — | — | 3/1d | — | — |
| Double Brown | 7/- | 9/- | 4/- | 4/5d | 5/8d |
| (A fine strong ale) | |||||
| FOREST ALE AND STOUT | |||||
| Oatmeal Stout | 5/4d | 7/- | 3/1d | 3/4d | 4/4d |
| Brown Ale | 5/4d | 7/- | 3/1d | 3/4d | 4/4d |
| PIONEER ALE AND STOUT | |||||
| Family Stout | 4/6d | 6/- | — | 2/10d | 3/8d |
| Family Ale | 4/6d | 6/- | — | 2/10d | 3/8d |
| MACKESON'S MILK STOUT | |||||
| Milk Stout | 7/8d | 10/- | 4/2d | 4/10d | 6/- |
| Bass | 8/8d | 10/- | 5/- | ||
| Guinness | 8/8d | 10/- | 5/- | ||
| Bass Barley Wine in nips | |||||
| Source: | |||||
| A 1934 Whitbread price list. | |||||
Always a good one, East India Porter. And a lovely beer, if you're lucky enough to find one. I very briefly tell the style's story.
| London bottled beers in the late 1930s | ||||||||||||||
| type | price per pint | OG | BP | Ch | C | F | M C | M | TW | T | Wa | We | Wh | Y |
| Brown Ale | 7d | 1036 | X | X | X | X | X | X | ||||||
| Brown Ale | 8d | 1042 | X | X | X | X | X | X | ||||||
| Brown Ale | 9d | 1054 | X | |||||||||||
| PA | 6d | 1036 | X | X | ||||||||||
| PA | 7d | 1042 | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | |
| PA | 8d | 1048 | X | |||||||||||
| PA | 9d | 1054 | X | |||||||||||
| Stout | 6d | 1036 | X | |||||||||||
| Stout | 7d | 1042 | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | |||||
| Stout | 8d | 1048 | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | |
| Stout | 9d | 1054 | X | X | X | |||||||||
| Stout | >10d | >1070 | X | |||||||||||
| Sources: | ||||||||||||||
| A Whitbread 1934 price list | ||||||||||||||
| Truman Gravity Book held at the London Metropolitan Archives, document number B/THB/C/252. | ||||||||||||||
| Whitbread Gravity book held at the London Metropolitan Archives, document number LMA/4453/D/02/001. | ||||||||||||||
| Young's brewing record held at Battersea Library, document number YO/RE/1/8. | ||||||||||||||
| Barclay Perkins brewing record held at the London Metropolitan Archives, document number ACC/2305/01/622. | ||||||||||||||
| Brewery key: | |
| BP | Barclay Perkins |
| Ch | Charrington |
| C | Courage |
| F | Fullers |
| M C | Mann Crossman |
| M | Meux |
| TW | Taylor Walker |
| T | Truman |
| Wa | Watney |
| We | Wenlock |
| Wh | Whitbread |
| Y | Young |
I'm not letting up with these videos. This new one is about Milk Stout. A really weird style that somehow has come back to life. I never expected that.
Why? Don't ask me why. You bastard. I'm old and grumpy. I can do what the fuck I want. What are going to do? Get me sacked?
If you insist, it's mostly a case of I've started so I'll finish. I'm working my way through the Young's records and want to put them to use. If I don't press on now, I won't really make use of the material. Does that make sense? Probably not.
Turning to the book itself, there are currently 41,000 words and 150 pages. Only 60 recipes at the moment. That will grow. Considerably.
"Free!" remains a sort of priority. Once "Youngs!" is out of the way, I'll be back on that full time.
The next book I actually release will probably be "Tour! vol VI" or "Shut up, Dad!". Or maybe I should finally release "America!". So many decisions.
| 1939 Youngs Porter | ||
| mild malt | 4.75 lb | 61.29% |
| black malt | 0.50 lb | 6.45% |
| amber malt | 0.75 lb | 9.68% |
| crystal malt 120 L | 0.50 lb | 6.45% |
| flaked oats | 0.75 lb | 9.68% |
| No. 3 invert sugar | 0.50 lb | 6.45% |
| Fuggles 120 min | 1.125 oz | |
| Fuggles 30 min | 1.125 oz | |
| OG | 1035 | |
| FG | 1011 | |
| ABV | 3.18 | |
| Apparent attenuation | 68.57% | |
| IBU | 29 | |
| SRM | 23 | |
| Mash at | 152º F | |
| Sparge at | 170º F | |
| Boil time | 120 minutes | |
| pitching temp | 60º F | |
| Yeast | WLP002 English Ale | |
Another little video prompted by a viewer request. I explain underlet mashing, a favourite technique of English brewers for more than a century.
To follow on from my post about London draught beers in the 1930s, here's Whitbread's price list from 1934.
As it includes the prices for various cask sizes, it must be a trade list, That is, for publicans. Though it does include the public bar price per pint. In the posher rooms, such as the saloon or lounge, 1d more per pint would have been charged.
To put the cask into context, in 1914, a 36-gallon barrel of X Ale cost 36/- That was for a beer of 1050º. While 1934 X Ale was 1036º. That's about 2.5 times more expensive and 28% weaker. Quite a change. The reason? Extra tax piled on as a result of WW I.
What else can I spin out of this scrap of source material? The final line. Where XXX is crossed out, replaced by 33. A more expensive beer.
Why is the new beer call '33? Because that's when the disastrous tax increase of 1931 was reversed. To celebrate. Whitbread bumped up the gravity of their Burton Ale from 1045º to 1061º*. While also bumping up the price by 1d per pint. I think I would have been able to live with that. But I'm a pisshwead, as Mikey keeps reminding me.
Interesting that Porter and Stout come first on the list. That must be a hangover of Whitbread's time as an early Porter brewer. And one of the largest.
Oh, the Light Ale. That was dark. A piss-weak Dark Mild. Slightly confusing, the name.
* Whitbread brewing records held at the London Metropolitan Archives, document numbers LMA/4453/D/01/099 and LMA/4453/D/01/100.
Another short video, this time debunking the most popular myths about Scottish brewing A subject very dear to my heart.
| London draught beers in the late 1930s | ||||||||||||||
| type | price per pint | OG | BP | Ch | C | F | M C | M | TW | T | Wa | We | Wh | Y |
| Ale | 4d | 1030 | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | ||
| X | 5d | 1036 | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | |
| XX | 6d | 1042 | X | X | X | |||||||||
| PA | 6d | 1042 | X | X | X | |||||||||
| PA | 7d | 1048 | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X |
| PA | 8d | 1054 | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | |||||
| KK | 7d | 1048 | X | X | X | X | X | X | ||||||
| KK | 8d | 1054 | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | |||
| KKK | >10d | >1070 | X | X | X | |||||||||
| Porter | 5d | 1036 | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | ||
| Stout | 7d | 1048 | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | ||||
| Stout | 8d | 1054 | X | X | X | X | ||||||||
| Sources: | ||||||||||||||
| A Whitbread 1934 price list | ||||||||||||||
| Truman Gravity Book held at the London Metropolitan Archives, document number B/THB/C/252. | ||||||||||||||
| Whitbread Gravity book held at the London Metropolitan Archives, document number LMA/4453/D/02/001. | ||||||||||||||
| Fuller's brewing records held at the brewery | ||||||||||||||
| Young's brewing record held at Battersea Library, document number YO/RE/1/8. | ||||||||||||||
| Barclay Perkins brewing record held at the London Metropolitan Archives, document number ACC/2305/01/622. | ||||||||||||||
| Brewery key: | |
| BP | Barclay Perkins |
| Ch | Charrington |
| C | Courage |
| F | Fullers |
| M C | Mann Crossman |
| M | Meux |
| TW | Taylor Walker |
| T | Truman |
| Wa | Watney |
| We | Wenlock |
| Wh | Whitbread |
| Y | Young |
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