I have a lot more examples for this time slice. And it's not just a question of having found more price lists for this period. A much higher percentage of the price lists include bottled beer. There's a simple enough explanation: by this time a large percentage of breweries had started bottling themselves. It doesn't mean their beers weren't available in bottled form before. Before 1880 most beer was bottled by independent bottlers. The price lists I've used as sources were mostly advertisements placed by breweries. When they weren't producing and selling it themselves, why should they bother including bottled beer in an advert?
In the case of the Young's beers in the table, these were the first produced by the brewery. Which seems a little late to me.
This time I decided to lump the Light Bitters in with Dinner Ales. It's a bit arbitrary, but what the hell. My reasoning was to show the different strands of Pale Ale establishing their own identity. Those were IPA, Pale Ale and Light Bitter/Dinner Ale. It would be neat to say I've listed them in descending order of strength and price, but that isn't necessarily so. Light Bitter/Dinner Ale was always the weakest of a brewery's Pale Ales, but the position of IPA and Pale varied from brewery to brewery. For example, Whitbread's IPA was weaker than their Pale Ale.
style | no. examples | % |
Stout | 38 | 37.62% |
IPA | 18 | 17.82% |
Dinner Ale | 16 | 15.84% |
Ale | 9 | 8.91% |
Pale Ale | 8 | 7.92% |
Lager | 2 | 1.98% |
Mild | 2 | 1.98% |
Porter | 2 | 1.98% |
Strong Ale | 2 | 1.98% |
Cooper | 2 | 1.98% |
Low Alcohol | 1 | 0.99% |
Brown Ale | 1 | 0.99% |
Total | 101 | 100.00% |
There are the most examples of Stout by a street, more than double the second best represented style, IPA. But, if I lump together all the Black Beers (Stout, Porter and Cooper) and all the Pale Ales (IPA, Pale and Dinner Ale) it's a dead heat, with 42 of each. This is a fairly random selection of examples, but I believe it does show general trends in bottled beer. Pale Ales and Stouts were far and away the most popular styles in bottle.
style | no. examples | % |
Stout | 38 | 37.62% |
Porter | 2 | 1.98% |
Cooper | 2 | 1.98% |
subtotal | 42 | 41.58% |
IPA | 18 | 17.82% |
Pale Ale | 8 | 7.92% |
Dinner Ale | 16 | 15.84% |
subtotal | 42 | 41.58% |
Total | 101 | 124.75% |
You may have spotted that, for the first time, there's a Brown Ale. I confess that I'm not 100% sure that Maxim Ale was a Brown Ale at this point. That's just a guess on my part. In my defence, 1909 is about a decade after the first appearance of Brown Ale. So it's not a totally unreasonable assumption.
One word about pricing. At first I thought 1s 4d for 4 quarts of Truman Family Ale or Oatmeal Stout must be wrong. It sounded far too cheap. But it only works out to 4d a quart - the equivalent of 2s per dozen Imperial pints. Cheap, but not unreasonably so. And quarts were the cheapest format to produce. It looks like crates of 4 quarts were competing directly with draught beer fetched in a jug from the local pub. 4d a quart is the same price X Ale sold for in the public bar.
I'm pretty sure that I can match up Truman Family Ale with a beer in their brewing records. LK - London Keeper - appeared sometime between 1900 and 1905. It had a very low gravity for a London Pale Ale of the period: just 1046º at a time when their X Ale was over 1050º
I feared that I would struggle to spot the Oatmeal Stout. Turned out to be a piece of piss. As there was a thing called "Bottling" in the only brews that contained oats. It was parti-gyled with Country Runner, a Porter. So while it was marketed as a Stout, it was really a Porter. And the weakest one of Truman's Porters at that. It just shows how arbitrary the distinction between Porter and Stout was.
There were a few Milds this time, including Rogers' Imperial Mild Ale. Judging by the price - 3 shillings for a dozen reputed pints - it truly was Imperial. That's the equivalent of 4s 6d for a dozen Imperial pints. The only other beers in the table costing that much were Bass Pale Ale and Guinness Extra Stout, both beers that were sold at a premium. My guess would be that the Imperial Mild had an OG between 1090º and 1100º.
This time around, I've got brewing records for two breweries: Tetley and Truman. Which means another two tables. Aren't you lucky.
Truman Family Ale and Oatmeal Stout | |||||
Year | Beer | Style | OG | lbs hops/ qtr | hops lb/brl |
1909 | Bottling | Porter | 1052.6 | 7.5 | 1.82 |
1909 | LK | Pale Ale | 1045.7 | 6.2 | 1.30 |
Source: | |||||
Truman brewing records held at the London Metropolitan Archives, documents numbers B/THB/C/112 and B/THB/C/190. |
I suppose I should decode the Tetley beers for you. I think K is the Dinner Ale, PA is definitely the East India Pale Ale, P is definitely the Family Porter and S definitely the Extra Stout. Special Mild Ale, Imperial Ale and Strong Ale are probably X2, X3 and XX respectively. It would be easier to work out if they all had come in the same size bottle.
Tetley beers in 1904 | |||||||||
Year | Beer | Style | OG | FG | ABV | App. Atten-uation | lbs hops/ qtr | hops lb/brl | barrels |
1904 | K | Pale Ale | 1045.4 | 1007.8 | 4.98 | 82.93% | 7.72 | 1.45 | 211.25 |
1904 | P | Porter | 1050.4 | 1017.2 | 4.40 | 65.93% | 4.91 | 1.03 | 41.75 |
1904 | PA | Pale Ale | 1059.8 | 1010.8 | 6.49 | 81.94% | 11.13 | 2.96 | 333.25 |
1904 | S | Stout | 1066.8 | 1020.5 | 6.12 | 69.29% | 4.91 | 1.36 | 28 |
1904 | X | Mild | 1038.8 | 1010.0 | 3.81 | 74.29% | 4.01 | 0.61 | 273.25 |
1904 | X Pale | Mild | 1042.1 | 1008.3 | 4.47 | 80.26% | 5.71 | 0.96 | 56.25 |
1904 | X1 | Mild | 1046.3 | 1010.5 | 4.73 | 77.25% | 4.24 | 0.78 | 163.5 |
1904 | X1 Pale | Mild | 1047.9 | 1012.2 | 4.73 | 74.57% | 5.71 | 1.12 | 28 |
1904 | X2 | Mild | 1056.8 | 1013.3 | 5.75 | 76.59% | 7.18 | 1.59 | 280.75 |
1904 | X2 Pale | Mild | 1056.2 | 1013.3 | 5.68 | 76.35% | 5.71 | 1.31 | 53 |
1904 | X3 | Mild | 1061.4 | 1017.7 | 5.77 | 71.11% | 8.06 | 1.99 | 113.75 |
1904 | XX | Mild | 1071.7 | 1017.2 | 7.22 | 76.06% | 8.06 | 2.33 | 112.25 |
Source: | |||||||||
Tetley brewing record held at the West Yorkshire Archive Service Leeds, document number WYL756/51/ACC1903. |
And finally, here's the full table:
Bottled beers 1900 - 1909 | |||||||
Brewery | Place | year | beer | style | price per dozen | size | source |
Barbe, H.J. & Co. | Ashton Clinton | 1900 | Ale | Ale | 2s 6d | Bucks Herald - Saturday 03 November 1900, page 1. | |
Godsell & Sons | Stroud, Gloucs | 1909 | Imperial | Ale | 2s 6d | pint | |
Rochdale & Manor Brwry. | Rochdale | 1909 | Star Ale | Ale | |||
Rogers' Ales | Bristol | 1900 | Bristol Ale | Ale | 2s | reputed pint | Western Daily Press - Saturday 15 December 1900, page 3 |
Rogers' Ales | Bristol | 1900 | Bristol Ale | Ale | 1s 3d | imperial half pint | Western Daily Press - Saturday 15 December 1900, page 3 |
Rogers' Ales | Bristol | 1900 | Monarch Ale | Ale | 2s 6d | reputed pint | Western Daily Press - Saturday 15 December 1900, page 3 |
Rogers' Ales | Bristol | 1900 | Monarch Ale | Ale | 1s 6d | imperial half pint | Western Daily Press - Saturday 15 December 1900, page 3 |
Tetley | Leeds | 1904 | Imperial (non-deposit) Ale | Ale | 2s 2d | pony bottles | “Quality Pays . . the Story of Joshua Tetley & Son” by Clifford Lackey, 1985, page 99. |
Walker & Homfray | Salford | 1908 | Comet Ale | Ale | |||
C. Vaux & Sons Ltd | Sunderland | 1909 | Maxim Ale | Brown Ale | |||
Breeds & Co | Hastings | 1905 | Cooper | Cooper | 2s 6d | Kelly's Directory of Sussex, 1905 | |
Headington & Son | Wokingham | 1903 | Cooper | Cooper | 2s | half pint | Reading Mercury - Saturday 21 March 1903, page 10 |
Allsopp | Burton | 1900 | Light Dinner Ale | Dinner Ale | 2s 6d | pint | Gloucester Citizen - Monday 04 June 1900, page 1. |
Allsopp | Burton | 1900 | Light Dinner Ale | Dinner Ale | 1s 6d | half pint | Gloucester Citizen - Monday 04 June 1900, page 1. |
Aylesbury Brewery | Aylesbury | 1900 | ABC Light Dinner Ale | Dinner Ale | 2s 6d | pint | Bucks Herald - Saturday 03 November 1900, page 1. |
Aylesbury Brewery | Aylesbury | 1900 | ABC Light Dinner Ale | Dinner Ale | 1s 6d | half pint | Bucks Herald - Saturday 03 November 1900, page 1. |
Bailey & Tebbutt | Cambridge | 1908 | Light Dinner Ale | Dinner Ale | 2s 6d | pint | |
Daniell & Sons | Colchester | 1900 | Sparkling Dinner Ale | Dinner Ale | 2s 6d | pint | |
Godsell & Sons | Stroud, Gloucs | 1902 | Light D. A. | Dinner Ale | 2s 6d | pint | Kelly's Directory of Somerset, 1902 |
Headington & Son | Wokingham | 1903 | Light Bitter Ale | Dinner Ale | 2s | half pint | Reading Mercury - Saturday 21 March 1903, page 10 |
Heavitree Brewery | Exeter | 1909 | AKK Light Bitter Ale | Dinner Ale | 2s 6d | pint | Exeter and Plymouth Gazette - Monday 05 July 1909, page 2 |
Heavitree Brewery | Exeter | 1909 | AKK Light Bitter Ale | Dinner Ale | 1s 6d | half pint | Exeter and Plymouth Gazette - Monday 05 July 1909, page 2 |
Seth Senior and Sons | Huddersfield | 1900 | Light Bitter | Dinner Ale | 2s 6d | pint screw | Huddersfield Chronicle - Saturday 22 December 1900, page 1 |
Seth Senior and Sons | Huddersfield | 1900 | Light Bitter | Dinner Ale | 1s 6d | stoppered half pint | Huddersfield Chronicle - Saturday 22 December 1900, page 1 |
Tetley | Leeds | 1904 | Dinner Ale (Light Bitter) | Dinner Ale | 1s 6d | small bottles | “Quality Pays . . the Story of Joshua Tetley & Son” by Clifford Lackey, 1985, page 99. |
Tetley | Leeds | 1904 | Dinner Ale (Light Bitter) | Dinner Ale | 2s 6d | large bottles | “Quality Pays . . the Story of Joshua Tetley & Son” by Clifford Lackey, 1985, page 99. |
Threlfall's | Salford | 1905 | XX Dinner Ale | Dinner Ale | |||
Truman | London | 1908 | Truman's Family Ale | Dinner Ale | 1s 4d | 4 quarts | |
Allsopp | Burton | 1900 | East India Pale Ale | IPA | 3s | pint | Bucks Herald - Saturday 03 November 1900, page 1. |
Allsopp | Burton | 1900 | East India Pale Ale | IPA | 1s 9d | half pint | Bucks Herald - Saturday 03 November 1900, page 1. |
Allsopp | Burton | 1900 | East India Pale Ale | IPA | 3s 6d | pint | Gloucester Citizen - Monday 04 June 1900, page 1. |
Allsopp | Burton | 1900 | East India Pale Ale | IPA | 1s 9d | half pint | Gloucester Citizen - Monday 04 June 1900, page 1. |
Bass | Burton | 1900 | India Pale Ale | IPA | 4s 6d | pint | Bucks Herald - Saturday 03 November 1900, page 1. |
Bass | Burton | 1900 | India Pale Ale | IPA | 2s 3d | half pint | Bucks Herald - Saturday 03 November 1900, page 1. |
Bass | Burton | 1903 | India Pale Ale | IPA | 4s | pint | Reading Mercury - Saturday 21 March 1903, page 10 |
Bass | Burton | 1903 | India Pale Ale | IPA | 2s 6d | half pint | Reading Mercury - Saturday 21 March 1903, page 10 |
Bass | Burton | 1904 | India Pale Ale | IPA | 2s 3d | small bottles | “Quality Pays . . the Story of Joshua Tetley & Son” by Clifford Lackey, 1985, page 99. |
Breeds & Co | Hastings | 1905 | India Pale Ale | IPA | 3s | Kelly's Directory of Sussex, 1905 | |
Headington & Son | Wokingham | 1903 | India Pale Ale | IPA | 3s | half pint | Reading Mercury - Saturday 21 March 1903, page 10 |
Heavitree Brewery | Exeter | 1909 | East India Pale Ale | IPA | 3s 3d | pint | Exeter and Plymouth Gazette - Monday 05 July 1909, page 2 |
Heavitree Brewery | Exeter | 1909 | East India Pale Ale | IPA | 1s 9d | half pint | Exeter and Plymouth Gazette - Monday 05 July 1909, page 2 |
Rogers' Ales | Bristol | 1900 | East India Pale Ale | IPA | 3s | reputed pint | Western Daily Press - Saturday 15 December 1900, page 3 |
Rogers' Ales | Bristol | 1900 | East India Pale Ale | IPA | 1s 9d | imperial half pint | Western Daily Press - Saturday 15 December 1900, page 3 |
Tetley | Leeds | 1904 | East India Pale Ale | IPA | 2s | small bottles | “Quality Pays . . the Story of Joshua Tetley & Son” by Clifford Lackey, 1985, page 99. |
Threlfall's | Salford | 1905 | India Pale Ale | IPA | |||
Young's | London | 1905 | IPA | IPA | First bottled beers. | ||
Allsopp | Burton | 1900 | Lager Beer | Lager | 3s 6d | pint | Gloucester Citizen - Monday 04 June 1900, page 1. |
Allsopp | Burton | 1900 | Lager Beer | Lager | 2s 3d | half pint | Gloucester Citizen - Monday 04 June 1900, page 1. |
Rogers' Ales | Bristol | 1900 | Hop Ale (Non-Intoxicating) | Low Alcohol | 1s | imperial half pint | Western Daily Press - Saturday 15 December 1900, page 3 |
Bailey & Tebbutt | Cambridge | 1908 | Strong Ale | Mild | 4s | pint | |
Bardsley Brewey | Ashton-Under-Lyne | 1908 | Best Mild (light Mild) | Mild | |||
Rogers' Ales | Bristol | 1900 | Imperial Mild Ale | Mild | 3s | reputed pint | Western Daily Press - Saturday 15 December 1900, page 3 |
Tetley | Leeds | 1904 | Special (non-deposit) Mild Ale | Mild | 3s | large bottles | “Quality Pays . . the Story of Joshua Tetley & Son” by Clifford Lackey, 1985, page 99. |
Breeds & Co | Hastings | 1905 | Pale Ale | Pale Ale | 2s 6d | Kelly's Directory of Sussex, 1905 | |
Godsell & Sons | Stroud, Gloucs | 1902 | Pale Ale | Pale Ale | 3s 6d | pint | Kelly's Directory of Somerset, 1902 |
Godsell & Sons | Stroud, Gloucs | 1909 | Pale Ale | Pale Ale | 3s 6d | pint | |
Headington & Son | Wokingham | 1903 | Pale Ale | Pale Ale | 2s 6d | half pint | Reading Mercury - Saturday 21 March 1903, page 10 |
Icon Heppenstall | Goole | 1902 | SBA Ale | Pale Ale | 1s 6d | half pint | |
Seth Senior and Sons | Huddersfield | 1900 | Pale Ale | Pale Ale | 3s | pint screw | Huddersfield Chronicle - Saturday 22 December 1900, page 1 |
Seth Senior and Sons | Huddersfield | 1900 | Pale Ale | Pale Ale | 1s | stoppered half pint | Huddersfield Chronicle - Saturday 22 December 1900, page 1 |
Young's | London | 1905 | PA Pale Ale | Pale Ale | First bottled beers. | ||
Tetley | Leeds | 1904 | Family Porter | Porter | 1s 6d | small bottles | “Quality Pays . . the Story of Joshua Tetley & Son” by Clifford Lackey, 1985, page 99. |
Tetley | Leeds | 1904 | Family Porter | Porter | 2s 6d | large bottles | “Quality Pays . . the Story of Joshua Tetley & Son” by Clifford Lackey, 1985, page 99. |
Allsopp | Burton | 1900 | Stout | Stout | 4s | pint | Bucks Herald - Saturday 03 November 1900, page 1. |
Allsopp | Burton | 1900 | Stout | Stout | 2s | half pint | Bucks Herald - Saturday 03 November 1900, page 1. |
Bailey & Tebbutt | Cambridge | 1908 | Oatmeal Stout | Stout | 2s 6d | pint | |
Bailey & Tebbutt | Cambridge | 1908 | Nourishing Stout | Stout | 2s 6d | pint | |
Barbe, H.J. & Co. | Ashton Clinton | 1900 | Stout | Stout | 3s | Bucks Herald - Saturday 03 November 1900, page 1. | |
Bardsley Brewey | Ashton-Under-Lyne | 1908 | Double Stout | Stout | |||
Breeds & Co | Hastings | 1905 | Single Stout | Stout | 2s 6d | Kelly's Directory of Sussex, 1905 | |
Breeds & Co | Hastings | 1905 | Double Stout | Stout | 3s | Kelly's Directory of Sussex, 1905 | |
Breeds & Co | Hastings | 1905 | Oat Malt Stout | Stout | 2s 6d | Kelly's Directory of Sussex, 1905 | |
Combe & Co. | London | 1900 | Stout | Stout | 3s | pint | Bucks Herald - Saturday 03 November 1900, page 1. |
Combe & Co. | London | 1900 | Stout | Stout | 1s 9d | half pint | Bucks Herald - Saturday 03 November 1900, page 1. |
Daniell & Sons | Colchester | 1900 | Creamy Stout | Stout | 2s 6d | pint | |
Godsell & Sons | Stroud, Gloucs | 1902 | Nourishing Stout | Stout | 3s 3d | pint | Kelly's Directory of Somerset, 1902 |
Godsell & Sons | Stroud, Gloucs | 1909 | Nourishing Stout | Stout | 3s 3d | pint | |
Guinness | Dublin | 1900 | Stout | Stout | 4s 6d | pint | Bucks Herald - Saturday 03 November 1900, page 1. |
Guinness | Dublin | 1900 | Stout | Stout | 2s 3d | half pint | Bucks Herald - Saturday 03 November 1900, page 1. |
Guinness | Dublin | 1903 | Stout | Stout | 4s | pint | Reading Mercury - Saturday 21 March 1903, page 10 |
Guinness | Dublin | 1903 | Stout | Stout | 2s 6d | half pint | Reading Mercury - Saturday 21 March 1903, page 10 |
Guinness | Dublin | 1904 | Guinness | Stout | 1s 11d | small bottles | “Quality Pays . . the Story of Joshua Tetley & Son” by Clifford Lackey, 1985, page 99. |
Guinness | Dublin | 1904 | Guinness | Stout | 3s 6d | large bottles | “Quality Pays . . the Story of Joshua Tetley & Son” by Clifford Lackey, 1985, page 99. |
Headington & Son | Wokingham | 1903 | Nourishing Stout | Stout | 2s 6d | half pint | Reading Mercury - Saturday 21 March 1903, page 10 |
Headington & Son | Wokingham | 1903 | Double Brown Stout | Stout | 3s | half pint | Reading Mercury - Saturday 21 March 1903, page 10 |
Heavitree Brewery | Exeter | 1909 | Oatmeal Stout | Stout | 2s 6d | pint | Exeter and Plymouth Gazette - Monday 05 July 1909, page 2 |
Heavitree Brewery | Exeter | 1909 | Oatmeal Stout | Stout | 1s 6d | half pint | Exeter and Plymouth Gazette - Monday 05 July 1909, page 2 |
Icon Heppenstall | Goole | 1902 | Double Stout | Stout | 1s 6d | half pint | |
Rochdale & Manor Brwry. | Rochdale | 1909 | Oatmeal Nourishing Stout | Stout | |||
Rogers' Ales | Bristol | 1900 | Bristol Stout | Stout | 2s | reputed pint | Western Daily Press - Saturday 15 December 1900, page 3 |
Rogers' Ales | Bristol | 1900 | Bristol Stout | Stout | 1s 3d | imperial half pint | Western Daily Press - Saturday 15 December 1900, page 3 |
Rogers' Ales | Bristol | 1900 | Monarch Stout | Stout | 2s 6d | reputed pint | Western Daily Press - Saturday 15 December 1900, page 3 |
Rogers' Ales | Bristol | 1900 | Monarch Stout | Stout | 1s 6d | imperial half pint | Western Daily Press - Saturday 15 December 1900, page 3 |
Rogers' Ales | Bristol | 1900 | Imperial Double Stout | Stout | 3s | reputed pint | Western Daily Press - Saturday 15 December 1900, page 3 |
Seth Senior and Sons | Huddersfield | 1900 | Family Stout | Stout | 1s 6d | stoppered half pint | Huddersfield Chronicle - Saturday 22 December 1900, page 1 |
Seth Senior and Sons | Huddersfield | 1900 | Extra Stout | Stout | 1s 9d | stone bottle | Huddersfield Chronicle - Saturday 22 December 1900, page 1 |
Tetley | Leeds | 1904 | Extra Stout | Stout | 1s 9d | small bottles | “Quality Pays . . the Story of Joshua Tetley & Son” by Clifford Lackey, 1985, page 99. |
Truman | London | 1908 | Truman's Oatmeal Stout | Stout | 1s 4d | 4 quarts | |
Young's | London | 1905 | Oatmeal Stout | Stout | First bottled beers. | ||
Young's | London | 1905 | Double Stout | Stout | First bottled beers. | ||
Young's | London | 1905 | Stout | Stout | First bottled beers. | ||
Rogers' Ales | Bristol | 1900 | XXXXX Strong Ale | Strong Ale | 1s 9d | imperial half pint | Western Daily Press - Saturday 15 December 1900, page 3 |
Tetley | Leeds | 1904 | Strong Ale | Strong Ale | 2s | small bottles | “Quality Pays . . the Story of Joshua Tetley & Son” by Clifford Lackey, 1985, page 99. |
I'm not sure if I'll continue this further into the 20th century. I start getting information overload after WW I when I have Whitbread's and Truman's Gravity Books to play with.
Hi Ron,
ReplyDeleteI know this is off-subject, but have you seen Hook Norton's latest bar mats?
To quote:
THE TASTE OF THINGS TO COME
The ingredients of every single brew that has ever been produced at Hook Norton are recorded in the Brewing Books.
The earliest surviving book begins with Brew No.1 on November 24th 1856 and it is described as 'Mild XXX'.
Hi Stuart,
ReplyDeleteno, I hadn't seen them. I should maybe see if they'll let me take a look at their brewing books.
Ok I hate to sound stupid but what is dinner ale? Got a recipe?
ReplyDeleteI looked in amber gold and black (the book) I never saw that term before. trying to guess that its a weak Pale ale? drank with dinner???
ah never mind I had read that book and the index did not list it but its right there on page 127. sorry for the dumb question, but one cannot remember everything. and yea I know its Not your book.
ReplyDeleteamber. gold and black. i do have 5 of your books though!...
Azorie,
ReplyDeleteI've picked Dinner Ale as the name to group bottled Light Pale Ales. Beers that in the 20th century were called Light Ales. Pre-WW I, that means something with a gravity of 1045º or so.
Recipe? Something like this:
http://barclayperkins.blogspot.nl/2011/08/lets-brew-wednesday-fullers-1914-ak.html
Maxim preceded Double Maxim which, per memory, was developed after WW I as new stronger version. I think an officer of the brewery returned from the war helped design it. Clearly the names are metaphors for the famous machine gun, or at least the Double Maxim name is. It stands to reason Maxim was a brown ale like the more famous beer which came after. I remember drinking it as an import ca 1980. It was pretty good, better than the rather light-tasting Newcastle Brown - was Newkie Brown ever really good I wonder...
ReplyDeleteGary
thanks for the recipe, I will try that one asap.
ReplyDeleteIcon Heppenstall was my great great grandfather and I’ve never seen a photo of his brewery or anything they produced.
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