Because I'm such a generous and thoughtful bloke, this time I'm throwing in a bonus table of Whitbread beers from the same time. So you can compare Northern and Southern beers at your leisure.
I got all excited when I spotted "C" Ale in the logs. It's a Manchester-specific type of bottled beer that appears to have left no ripples in the pond of history, save for a few labels. No-one seemed to have any idea what it was, other than quite strong. Well we do now. Have an idea of what it was. How would I describe it? Like a bottled Burton. Or a weakish Old Ale. Something like that. Dark and reasonably well-hopped.
Before you look at the tables, I've one last remark. One of the main effects of WW II seems to have been a standardisation of beer gravities. Something similar - but more extreme happened at the end of WW I. When prices were fixed by government depending on the gravity of the beer.
First the Lees beers:
JW Lees beers 1948 - 1951
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Date
|
Year
|
Beer
|
Style
|
OG
|
lbs hops/ qtr
|
hops lb/brl
|
barrels
|
lbs hops
|
qtrs malt
|
boil time (hours)
|
dry hops (oz / barrel)
|
colour
|
dry hops lbs
|
pale malt
|
black malt
|
crystal malt
|
glucose
|
other sugar
|
flaked barley
|
enzymic malt
|
18th Aug
|
1948
|
Bot. B
|
Mild
|
1030.0
|
5.32
|
0.66
|
112
|
74
|
13.9
|
1.75
|
76.94%
|
0.46%
|
3.66%
|
2.44%
|
12.21%
|
2.45%
|
1.83%
| |||
19th Aug
|
1948
|
B
|
Pale Ale
|
1038.0
|
6.02
|
0.95
|
109.3
|
104
|
17.266
|
1.75
|
86.07%
|
0.10%
|
0.00%
|
2.05%
|
10.25%
|
0.00%
|
1.54%
| |||
31st Aug
|
1948
|
K
|
Mild
|
1028.0
|
5.65
|
0.65
|
117
|
76
|
13.46
|
1.75
|
80.13%
|
0.98%
|
3.91%
|
0.00%
|
10.42%
|
2.61%
|
1.95%
| |||
2nd Sep
|
1948
|
B
|
Pale Ale
|
1038.0
|
6.14
|
0.95
|
111
|
106
|
17.266
|
1.75
|
86.07%
|
0.10%
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
12.30%
|
0.00%
|
1.54%
| |||
19th Nov
|
1948
|
“C” Ale
|
Strong Ale
|
1050.0
|
4.48
|
0.91
|
46
|
42
|
9.375
|
1.75
|
1.39
|
4
|
74.64%
|
1.44%
|
5.74%
|
3.83%
|
11.48%
|
0.00%
|
2.87%
| |
3rd Dec
|
1948
|
K
|
Mild
|
1028.0
|
5.23
|
0.60
|
116
|
70
|
13.375
|
1.75
|
0.83
|
6
|
79.38%
|
1.17%
|
4.67%
|
3.11%
|
9.34%
|
0.00%
|
2.33%
| |
13th Dec
|
1948
|
“C” Ale
|
Strong Ale
|
1049.0
|
5.55
|
1.11
|
47
|
52
|
9.375
|
1.75
|
1.36
|
4
|
74.64%
|
1.44%
|
5.74%
|
0.00%
|
15.31%
|
0.00%
|
2.87%
| |
15th Dec
|
1948
|
BM
|
Mild
|
1032.0
|
5.95
|
0.78
|
41
|
32
|
5.375
|
1.75
|
0.78
|
2
|
73.85%
|
2.31%
|
9.23%
|
0.00%
|
12.31%
|
0.00%
|
2.31%
| |
20th Dec
|
1948
|
Bot. B
|
Mild
|
1030.0
|
5.26
|
0.65
|
108
|
70
|
13.313
|
1.75
|
0.89
|
6
|
83.86%
|
0.50%
|
3.99%
|
0.00%
|
10.65%
|
0.00%
|
1.00%
| |
4th Jan
|
1949
|
Bot. B
|
Mild
|
1030.0
|
5.26
|
0.65
|
108
|
70
|
13.313
|
1.75
|
0.89
|
6
|
83.86%
|
0.50%
|
3.99%
|
0.00%
|
10.65%
|
0.00%
|
1.00%
| |
7th Jan
|
1949
|
K
|
Mild
|
1028.0
|
5.23
|
0.60
|
116
|
70
|
13.375
|
1.75
|
0.83
|
6
|
82.62%
|
0.98%
|
3.93%
|
0.00%
|
10.49%
|
0.00%
|
1.97%
| |
10th Jan
|
1949
|
“C” Ale
|
Strong Ale
|
1051.0
|
5.40
|
1.13
|
46
|
52
|
9.625
|
1.75
|
1.39
|
4
|
75.35%
|
1.40%
|
5.58%
|
0.00%
|
14.88%
|
0.00%
|
2.79%
| |
10th Feb
|
1949
|
B
|
Pale Ale
|
1038.0
|
5.79
|
0.90
|
111
|
100
|
17.266
|
1.75
|
0.86
|
6
|
86.07%
|
0.10%
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
12.30%
|
0.00%
|
1.54%
| |
13th Apr
|
1950
|
K
|
Mild
|
1028.0
|
5.75
|
0.65
|
113.8
|
74
|
12.875
|
1.75
|
0.84
|
6
|
85.28%
|
0.51%
|
4.06%
|
2.71%
|
5.41%
|
0.00%
|
2.03%
| |
21st Apr
|
1950
|
Bitter
|
Pale Ale
|
1041.0
|
5.40
|
0.90
|
110.8
|
100
|
18.516
|
1.75
|
1.73
|
12
|
87.07%
|
0.09%
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
11.42%
|
0.00%
|
1.43%
| |
31st May
|
1950
|
K
|
Mild
|
1031.0
|
5.84
|
0.73
|
114.4
|
84
|
14.375
|
1.75
|
0.84
|
6
|
83.89%
|
0.91%
|
3.65%
|
2.43%
|
7.29%
|
0.00%
|
1.82%
| |
20th Jun
|
1950
|
Best Mild
|
Mild
|
1035.0
|
5.82
|
0.84
|
104.4
|
88
|
15.125
|
1.75
|
0.92
|
6
|
82.22%
|
0.87%
|
3.50%
|
2.33%
|
9.33%
|
0.00%
|
1.75%
| |
29th Jun
|
1950
|
K
|
Mild
|
1031.0
|
5.84
|
0.74
|
113.2
|
84
|
14.375
|
1.75
|
0.85
|
6
|
83.89%
|
0.91%
|
3.65%
|
2.43%
|
7.29%
|
0.00%
|
1.82%
| |
9th Aug
|
1950
|
Best Mild
|
Mild
|
1035.0
|
5.46
|
0.78
|
107.6
|
84
|
15.375
|
1.75
|
0.89
|
6
|
80.00%
|
0.87%
|
3.48%
|
2.32%
|
11.59%
|
0.00%
|
1.74%
| |
2nd Apr
|
1951
|
“C” Ale
|
Strong Ale
|
1053.0
|
4.27
|
0.99
|
40.3
|
40
|
9.375
|
1.75
|
112
|
74.64%
|
1.44%
|
5.74%
|
3.83%
|
11.48%
|
0.00%
|
2.87%
| ||
6th Apr
|
1951
|
K
|
Mild
|
1031.0
|
5.84
|
0.73
|
115.4
|
84
|
14.375
|
1.75
|
28
|
82.62%
|
0.98%
|
3.93%
|
2.62%
|
7.87%
|
0.00%
|
1.97%
| ||
13th Apr
|
1951
|
Bitter
|
Pale Ale
|
1041.0
|
6.10
|
0.98
|
91.7
|
90
|
14.76
|
1.75
|
20
|
86.15%
|
0.09%
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
11.97%
|
0.00%
|
1.79%
| ||
Source:
| ||||||||||||||||||||
JW Lees brewing records
|
Now Whitbread's:
Whitbread beers 1948 - 1951
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Date
|
Year
|
Beer
|
Style
|
OG
|
FG
|
ABV
|
App. Attenuation
|
lbs hops/ qtr
|
hops lb/brl
|
barrels
|
lbs hops
|
qtrs malt
|
boil time (hours)
|
boil time (hours)
|
Pitch temp
|
colour
|
pale malt
|
choc. Malt
|
crystal malt
|
MA malt
|
PA malt
|
no. 1 sugar
|
no. 3 sugar
|
other sugar
|
2nd Mar
|
1948
|
Ex IPA
|
IPA
|
1046.8
|
1013.0
|
4.47
|
72.22%
|
8.91
|
1.78
|
320
|
570
|
64
|
1.25
|
1.25
|
62º
|
23
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
2.56%
|
0.00%
|
79.26%
|
18.18%
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
10th Feb
|
1948
|
PA
|
Pale Ale
|
1034.4
|
1011.0
|
3.10
|
68.02%
|
5.66
|
0.81
|
743
|
600
|
106
|
1.08
|
1
|
64º
|
32
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
9.93%
|
0.00%
|
79.47%
|
10.60%
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
24th Mar
|
1948
|
IPA
|
IPA
|
1032.2
|
1005.5
|
3.53
|
82.92%
|
9.00
|
1.18
|
823
|
972
|
108
|
1.25
|
1.33
|
64º
|
21.5
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
9.62%
|
0.00%
|
82.69%
|
7.69%
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
24th Mar
|
1948
|
XX
|
Mild
|
1027.7
|
1005.5
|
2.94
|
80.14%
|
7.07
|
0.80
|
1629
|
1308
|
185
|
1
|
0.75
|
65º
|
12 + 40
|
55.14%
|
0.00%
|
7.57%
|
25.95%
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
8.65%
|
2.70%
|
22nd Mar
|
1948
|
PA
|
Pale Ale
|
1034.9
|
1010.0
|
3.29
|
71.35%
|
6.42
|
0.93
|
728
|
680
|
106
|
1.08
|
1.25
|
64º
|
24.5
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
9.93%
|
0.00%
|
79.47%
|
10.60%
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
1st June
|
1950
|
PA
|
Pale Ale
|
1039.9
|
1012.5
|
3.62
|
68.67%
|
6.63
|
1.07
|
707
|
756
|
114
|
1.08
|
1
|
64º
|
26.5
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
9.20%
|
0.00%
|
80.98%
|
9.82%
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
2nd June
|
1950
|
Best Ale
|
Mild
|
1031.7
|
1010.5
|
2.80
|
66.88%
|
7.27
|
0.89
|
810
|
720
|
99
|
1
|
0.75
|
65º
|
17 + 40
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
7.07%
|
83.84%
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
6.06%
|
3.03%
|
2nd June
|
1950
|
IPA
|
IPA
|
1034.5
|
1005.5
|
3.84
|
84.06%
|
9.54
|
1.30
|
823
|
1068
|
112
|
1.25
|
1.25
|
64º
|
24
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
8.33%
|
0.00%
|
84.26%
|
7.41%
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
2nd June
|
1950
|
Ex PA
|
Pale Ale
|
1055.3
|
1011.5
|
5.79
|
79.20%
|
9.00
|
2.04
|
331
|
675
|
75
|
1.08
|
1.25
|
62º
|
25.5
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
2.90%
|
0.00%
|
79.71%
|
17.39%
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
5th June
|
1950
|
Best Ale
|
Mild
|
1031.7
|
1008.5
|
3.07
|
73.19%
|
7.29
|
0.90
|
1596
|
1440
|
197.5
|
1
|
1
|
65º
|
15 + 40
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
7.09%
|
84.05%
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
6.08%
|
2.78%
|
5th June
|
1950
|
IPA
|
IPA
|
1034.6
|
1006.0
|
3.78
|
82.66%
|
9.54
|
1.30
|
821
|
1068
|
112
|
1.25
|
1.25
|
64º
|
23
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
8.33%
|
0.00%
|
84.26%
|
7.41%
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
6th June
|
1950
|
PA
|
Pale Ale
|
1040.1
|
1011.5
|
3.78
|
71.32%
|
6.63
|
1.08
|
701
|
756
|
114
|
1.08
|
1.25
|
64º
|
30
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
9.20%
|
0.00%
|
80.98%
|
9.82%
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
7th Jul
|
1950
|
DB
|
Brown Ale
|
1054.5
|
1012.5
|
5.56
|
77.06%
|
8.32
|
1.86
|
317
|
591
|
71
|
1
|
1.5
|
62º
|
19 + 40
|
0.00%
|
1.41%
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
80.28%
|
0.00%
|
16.90%
|
1.41%
|
23rd Jan
|
1951
|
DB
|
Brown Ale
|
1053.6
|
1012.5
|
5.44
|
76.68%
|
8.38
|
1.88
|
315
|
591
|
70.5
|
1
|
0.75
|
62º
|
15 + 40
|
0.00%
|
1.41%
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
80.57%
|
0.00%
|
16.96%
|
1.06%
|
22nd Dec
|
1950
|
Best Ale
|
Mild
|
1030.6
|
1009.0
|
2.86
|
70.59%
|
7.29
|
0.94
|
765
|
720
|
98.75
|
1
|
1.5
|
65º
|
16 + 40
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
7.09%
|
84.05%
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
6.08%
|
2.78%
|
17th Apr
|
1951
|
PA
|
Pale Ale
|
1039.8
|
1007.0
|
4.34
|
82.41%
|
6.63
|
1.08
|
699
|
756
|
114
|
1.08
|
1
|
64º
|
30
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
8.28%
|
0.00%
|
81.90%
|
9.82%
|
0.00%
|
0.00%
|
Source:
| ||||||||||||||||||||||||
Whitbread brewing records held at the London Metropolitan Archives
|
Now let's taking a closer look. A ridiculously-detailed look. As warned.
First the 1948 ordinary Bitters:
1948 Lees Bitter 1038, 0.95 lbs hops barrel, 86% pale malt, trace of black malt, 12% sugar, 2% enzymic malt
1948 Whitbread PA 1034.4, 0.81 lbs hops barrel, 79% PA malt, 10% crystal malt, 11% sugar
Surprisingly, Lees Bitter was stronger and more heavily-hopped. Though, taking into account the differing gravities, the hopping level is about the same. More significant is the lack of any crystal malt in Lees Bitter.
Now the 1948 ordinary Milds:
1948 Lees K Mild 1028, 0.65 lbs hops barrel, 80% pale malt, 1% black malt, 4% crystal malt, 13% sugar, 2% enzymic malt
1948 Whitbread XX Mild 1027.7, 0.80 lbs hops barrel, 55% PA malt, 26% mild malt, 8% crystal malt, 11% sugar
These are much closer in profile. The gravities are near identical. The Lees is hopped a little less. And it also had only half of the crystal malt of Whitbread XX. But one of the biggest differences doesn't show up here: the colour. I know from later logs that K was only about 30-35 EBC. Whitbread XX was 80 to 90 EBC.
1950 ordinary Bitters:
1950 Lees Bitter 1041, 0.90 lbs hops barrel, 87% pale malt, trace of black malt, 11% sugar, 1.5% enzymic malt
1950 Whitbread PA 1041, 1.08 lbs hops barrel, 81% PA malt, 9% crystal malt, 10% sugar
The two beers now have exactly the same gravity.The biggest difference remains the lack of crystal in the Lees. Which is also hopped a little more lightly.
1950 ordinary Milds:
1950 Lees K Mild 1031, 0.74 lbs hops barrel, 84% pale malt, 1% black malt, 4% crystal malt, 10% sugar, 2% enzymic malt
1950 Whitbread Best Ale 1031.7, 0.90 lbs hops barrel, 84% mild malt, 7% crystal malt, 9% sugar
Another two very similar beers. Just a few more hops and more crystal in the Whitbread. And, of course, the base malt for Whitbread was mild ale malt.
There are a few generic differences. Like Lees use of a small quantity of enzymic malt. The sugar options differed, too. Lees going for a mix of glucose, invert and proprietary sugars. Whitbread used mostly No.1 and No. 3 invert.
Was that detailed enough? Hang on. I haven't got into the mashing schedules yet. I've already more than enough today. Perhaps tomorrow.
Did you discover if 'C' stood for anything on your trip to the brewery?
ReplyDeleteMatt, unfortunately not. No-one there had heard of it. But they do seem to have stopped brewing it more than 50 years ago, so that's no great surprise.
ReplyDeleteIt looks to me as Whitbread has come down in hop levels by this time.
ReplyDeleteGary
The hop rate can be misleading. John Willy is boiling for 105 minutes whereas The Colonel is boiling for as short as 60 minutes. This means that The Colonel will extract about 81% of the bitterness that J.W. does, so the Lees' beers could actually be more bitter.
ReplyDeleteThat presupposes the same varieties are used and that Whitbread doesn't boil under positive pressure.
The Beer Act of 1830!!!!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00t1qjs
What would be the current equivalent to 'enzymic malt'?
ReplyDeleteDid you get to tour J W Lee's?
Boring bit of stuff; in 1968 I worked for the GPO and was one the crew who installed a PBX system in the brewery; our 'tea breaks' were long, frequent and in the cellar! A three day job took a week.
Mike said...
ReplyDelete"What would be the current equivalent to 'enzymic malt'?"
It's an acid malt, not really enzymic at all. Lactic acid is encouraged to form - either naturally by bacteria by holding the barley under anaerobic conditions; or simply by sprinkling the barley with lactic acid, or steeping it in lactic acid during germination.
It is used to lower mash pH. Don't know if Lees still use it, but Adnams do.
Google for Dixon's patent malt, Dixon's enzymic malt, acid malt, phrases like that.
Dunno why they don't just add lactic acid to the mash though.
Germans use acid malt a lot for reasons of the big "R" which I can never spell; bacterially produced stuff though.