tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post7458245189661737708..comments2024-03-28T13:20:29.156-07:00Comments on Shut up about Barclay Perkins: Disinformation sourceRon Pattinsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-89707225885705873842011-11-02T06:37:47.319-07:002011-11-02T06:37:47.319-07:00Brian - yes, that's a great post. I commented ...Brian - yes, that's a great post. I commented similarly there:<br /><br /><i>I can’t see any evidence here of any connection with the Russian imperial court – I think it’s far more likely that that’s a modern misinterpretation. Bear in mind that Britain was an imperial nation itself – say “imperial” to a Victorian and they’d think of Britain long before they thought of Russia. It seems far more likely that “imperial” simply meant “biggest/best/strongest”, and that “Russian” stout was just one of the many beers that could come in an “imperial” style/strength.</i>Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07009879034507926661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-90816324611288453762011-11-02T04:56:03.971-07:002011-11-02T04:56:03.971-07:00Martyn's account from this summer is a great p...Martyn's account from this summer is a great place to start:<br /><br />http://zythophile.wordpress.com/2011/06/26/imperial-stout-%e2%80%93-russian-or-irish/BrianWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16591707058246430474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-13571540815709164202011-11-01T17:03:16.776-07:002011-11-01T17:03:16.776-07:00Anyone like to back (or shoot down) my intuition t...Anyone like to back (or shoot down) my intuition that the "Imperial" in "Imperial Stout" was simply a hyperbolic adjective in common use to mean "the very best Britain can offer, good enough for the Queen Herself"? In which case, of course, it referred to the <b>British</b> Empire, not the Russian one. The top end of the Russian Stout range might be called Imperial [Russian Stout], but that didn't make it [Imperial Russian] Stout.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07009879034507926661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-16957465874456125612011-11-01T15:51:56.486-07:002011-11-01T15:51:56.486-07:00Actually, delete that last comment. I have no idea...Actually, delete that last comment. I have no idea what I'm on about. Does anybody else?Martyn Cornellhttp://zythophile.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-80267716165480970252011-11-01T14:05:12.698-07:002011-11-01T14:05:12.698-07:00"When Horsleydown in turn closed in 1982 …&qu...<i>"When Horsleydown in turn closed in 1982 …"</i><br /><br />Whoop! Whoop! Incipient myth creation alert!Martyn Cornellhttp://zythophile.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-59762091144447534792011-11-01T13:38:43.176-07:002011-11-01T13:38:43.176-07:00Matt
"The thing that annoys me is that I'...Matt<br /><br />"The thing that annoys me is that I'm sure that Ron has done oodles of research and probably has written even oodles more history lesons. What I would like is a link to the "right" information when Ron or Martyn or whomever do have the correct history."<br /><br />Firstly, that's not what you said before - you said you were annoyed because Ron gets short with people who invent history. You'll notice that Ron isn't apologising for that.<br />Secondly, Ron and Martyn both have "search" functions on their blogs - if you want to find out more about what they are saying, just do the search thing......<br /><br />Would have thought that was obvious reallyRodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-45083648982606288792011-11-01T06:32:54.812-07:002011-11-01T06:32:54.812-07:00ron, i love your line, "It was strong because...ron, i love your line, "It was strong because the Russian Court wanted the very best and were a bunch of pissheads."<br /><br />factual and straight to the point. i have people coming into my store, asking me why we sell so much more strong craft beer v. session craft beer. i'm gonna steal your line, if you don't mind!jim kubehttp://www.binnys.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-29011901876046397092011-11-01T06:12:51.050-07:002011-11-01T06:12:51.050-07:00Ron and Rod,
Thanks for answering my questions. T...Ron and Rod,<br /><br />Thanks for answering my questions. The thing that annoys me is that I'm sure that Ron has done oodles of research and probably has written even oodles more history lesons. What I would like is a link to the "right" information when Ron or Martyn or whomever do have the correct history. If I didn't want to know the correct history of beer, I wouldn't read this blog.Okobojicathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06876353705239638182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-29774313027358717442011-11-01T04:28:48.510-07:002011-11-01T04:28:48.510-07:00Did you ask the author of the website where this s...Did you ask the author of the website where this story originated? Of course, he might have to forward you to Mr Willis but at least that gets you a step closer.<br />It would be lovely to get to the actual person who says 'I just made it up.'StuartPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13748038209546648459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-25431698689978743672011-11-01T04:08:51.707-07:002011-11-01T04:08:51.707-07:00Matt
"I've been kind of annoyed lately th...Matt<br />"I've been kind of annoyed lately that you've been really short with some people who have the history of certain styles wrong"<br /><br />No disrespect mate, but if you can't understand Ron's righteous indignation at clowns who simply make beer history up, when he spends countless hours doing research from primary sources to get to the actual truth, I think you're reading the wrong blog. Perhaps try Ratebeer.......Rodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-71410282160773591662011-11-01T02:04:54.216-07:002011-11-01T02:04:54.216-07:00That should have read:
"It was strong becaus...That should have read:<br /><br />"It was strong because the Russian Court wanted the very best and were a bunch of pissheads."Ron Pattinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-63047168878244147162011-11-01T02:03:53.397-07:002011-11-01T02:03:53.397-07:00Matt, there's a reason why I've been hard ...Matt, there's a reason why I've been hard on this article: because it has been copied so often. And it's so wildly wrong.<br /><br />The real story isn't complicated. Russian Stout was first brewed by Thrale for the Russian Court around the 1760's, When Catherine the Great was Tsarina. It was strong best the Russian Court wanted the very best and were a bunch of pissheads.<br /><br />In 1781 Thrale's brewery was bought by Barclay Perkins, who continued to brew Russian Stout until 1968, when their brewery on Park Street closed (except for the Lager plant) and production was moved to Courage's Horsleydown brewery. Courage and Barclay Perkins had merged in the mid 1950's. When Horsleydown in turn closed in 1982, production was moved to the John Smiths brewery in Tadcaster.Ron Pattinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-28880267599390256612011-10-31T18:38:02.895-07:002011-10-31T18:38:02.895-07:00Ron,
I love reading your blog. Your travails thro...Ron,<br /><br />I love reading your blog. Your travails through history are amazing. However, I've been kind of annoyed lately that you've been really short with some people who have the history of certain styles wrong. Now, I know the story of RIS that Willis presents in this article is wrong. Its to mythical to ever be taken seriously. But is there a shorter version of the history available? Can I understand the history and development of the the style without buying your book? Is there another writer out there somewhere that does have the correct history of RIS?<br /><br />Thanks,<br />MattOkobojicathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06876353705239638182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-81784289401943022942011-10-31T18:32:51.840-07:002011-10-31T18:32:51.840-07:00"the Barclay brewery of London came to the re..."the Barclay brewery of London came to the rescue …"<br /><br />Jeez - it wasn't even Thrale owning the Anchor brewery at that time, but Edmund Halsey.<br /><br />I've found a version from 2006 that incorporates part of that farrago, <a href="http://alemakers.com/plugins/content/content.php?content.49" rel="nofollow">here</a>, on an American homebrew site, but I started to lose the will to live and gave up looking any further …Martyn Cornellhttp://zythophile.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-58590273694837972482011-10-31T12:09:22.557-07:002011-10-31T12:09:22.557-07:00Greg D. Willis is a plumber from North Carolina. H...Greg D. Willis is a plumber from North Carolina. He is the son of TV weather presenter Wincey Willis. He escaped from Ireland when it was occupied by the Nazis and crossed the Pacific Ocean disguised as a Toblerone until he reached America. <br /><br />Actually, I made all that up. But I don't see why anyone would care. It's a good story, isn't it?Rob Sterowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07870233673933087794noreply@blogger.com