tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post6345162504190890884..comments2024-03-28T13:20:29.156-07:00Comments on Shut up about Barclay Perkins: Zoigl-KölschRon Pattinsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-85911298790174502112017-03-10T20:24:37.694-08:002017-03-10T20:24:37.694-08:00Anyone with a pulse can know words have never mean...Anyone with a pulse can know words have never meant less over here than ever before. Get used to it. We're in for an awful run. It wasn't good before, but now....Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04039590363732278703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-11123048224441690752017-03-10T16:23:16.108-08:002017-03-10T16:23:16.108-08:00According to the descriptions I found elsewhere, t...According to the descriptions I found elsewhere, the Zoiglhaus “Zoigl-Kölsch” is hazy. Kölsch is defined as a “blankes obergäriges Vollbier” (<a href="http://www.koelner-brauerei-verband.de/k%C3%B6lsch-konvention" rel="nofollow">Kölsch-Konvention</a>). Now, <i>blank</i> ‘shining, bright’ means clear/filtered in this context. In fact, every single commercial kölsch here in Cologne is filtered. A beer brewed and lagered like a Kölsch, but left unfiltered, is called a <i>Wiess</i>.<br /><br />I don’t really care if you take a regional style and get creative with it. Good on you! If you feel you need to reference the style that inspired you, ok, if you need to, go ahead use that word, but if you frankenstein a bizarre name on a par with a stout-lambic or a real-ale-lager, I just won’t take you seriously anymore.<br /><br />... and if you happen to get so creative and you end up making a wiess, for heaven‘s sake, call it a wiess.Felix Rauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06445518662362562046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-78625973281654448572017-03-10T06:15:30.878-08:002017-03-10T06:15:30.878-08:00Wow, a Zoigl, an ale and an infringement upon a re...Wow, a Zoigl, an ale and an infringement upon a regional style protection law all in one bottle!<br /><br />Obviously I'm not being serious and I am aware that US breweries can label their beer "Kölsch"<br /><br />I've read in some reviews that this "Kölsch-style ale" is hazy. AFAIK this is very unusual for authentic Kölsch and puts it more into the "Wieß" category. Since you have been studying german top-fermented beers, I wanted to ask you if you have ever seen this style of beer come up or if it's just another modern invention that is just called "historic beer style from Cologne"?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-22767772400617044612017-03-10T05:53:18.971-08:002017-03-10T05:53:18.971-08:00Now that the Saison fad is passing, it looks like ...Now that the Saison fad is passing, it looks like North American craft brewers are using Koelsch as a convenient base for various experimental concoctions. Someone in Ontario made a cloudy, peach flavoured thing. I couldn't help wondering what the people of Cologne would make of it.Doug Warrennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-81739708008978174442017-03-10T00:44:30.580-08:002017-03-10T00:44:30.580-08:00Honestly, it annoys me, sure.
The Zoigl-part more ...Honestly, it annoys me, sure.<br />The Zoigl-part more than the Kölsch part- I mean, "Kölsch" is at least a definable style of beer. When I read "Kölsch" on a beer label, I have expectations.<br />"Zoigl" on the other hand refers more to a whole culture of brewing.<br /><br />But actually, I think the worst case of using the name Zoigl is when commercial enterprises actually BUY the rights to brew in the Kommunbrauhaus and fill the beer in bottles and actually sell it!! Yup, that happened, and I find it more offensive than Oberpfalz breweries like Würth, Hösl or Nothaft brewing a cloudy beer and calling it "Zoigl". Elektrolurchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08125383247159603656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-63897477933248207042017-03-10T00:28:20.961-08:002017-03-10T00:28:20.961-08:00Guess how we feel about Berliner Weisse and Gose ....Guess how we feel about Berliner Weisse and Gose ... <br />The examples that are actually brewed have nothing in common with history ... <br />Just call it sour beer with fruit..<br />And Kölsch is registered as a protected geographical indication so in EU you could be sued ... <br />And Zoigl ... this is just a mish mash of stuff a Zoigl Wirtschaft wouldn't brew a Kölsch ...<br />... Americans ;)Benedikt Kochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00163115219486034972noreply@blogger.com