tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post44745314648192683..comments2024-03-28T13:20:29.156-07:00Comments on Shut up about Barclay Perkins: My work is not yet doneRon Pattinsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-51250050886438303312010-05-17T04:50:13.666-07:002010-05-17T04:50:13.666-07:00Martyn Cornell said...
it wouldn't have cost t...Martyn Cornell said...<br /><i>it wouldn't have cost twice as much as porter to produce, but could be sold at retail for twice as much as porter:</i><br /><br />I believe that the whole point of porter was to reduce the ageing and thereby cheapen the beer. It was the ageing of a decent beer that cost the money, or at least tied up large amounts of capital for long periods of time. Running beers turned over the capital much faster.<br /><br />Even poundage infers that stale was twice the price of the mild. <br /><i>Some drank mild beer and stale mixed, others ale, mild beer and stale blended together at threepence per quart, but many used all stale at fourpence per pot.</i><br /><br />By extrapolation the mild must have been 2d and stale 4d. <br /><br />Observe that Poundage does not suggest that people drank the mild alone. It was probably regarded as undrinkable without a bit of stale as an "improver". By 1844 the opposite was probably true; the mild was probably drinkable, but not good, and the stale became patently undrinkable because the big brewers pushed the stale to extreme acidity so that much less of it was required in the blend.<br /><br />By 1844, however, we were not yet into the "running beer" era (apart from porter itself), so the ale would have been aged, albeit for a shorter period than stale, and therefore demanded a higher price.Graham Wheelernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-55982747684485178252010-05-16T10:00:15.600-07:002010-05-16T10:00:15.600-07:00Although it's aggravating, I have to admit to ...Although it's aggravating, I have to admit to being slightly relieved by this since it proves that the US doesn't have a monopoly on producing "factless" beer history. <br /><br />Thanks for your fact based efforts, they are appreciated.Bill in Oregonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-63550182301722234682010-05-16T09:09:01.383-07:002010-05-16T09:09:01.383-07:00The worst thing here is that all those who haven&#...The worst thing here is that all those who haven't read you, Martyn or other serious beer historians will take this stuff that's been published by none other than CAMRA as some sort of holy word eroding all the hard and great work you've been doing, because it is you who will have to once again convince thousands that the result of your research is closer to the truth.Pivní Filosofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883511608403454943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-53248588733453656422010-05-16T06:53:55.289-07:002010-05-16T06:53:55.289-07:00Mr Holter has misquoted me, too, the fecker: "...Mr Holter has misquoted me, too, the fecker: "Martyn’s theory, backed up by a letter published by The Times in 1958 …" - it wasn't a letter, and if he had bothered to read his copy of BTSOTP properly it clearly says: "A study published by the Times newspaper in 1958".<br /><br />Further to the strength/popularity of (mild) ale in the 19th century, I found a piece in Punch magazine yesterday which revealed that in 1844, a pot (ie a quart) of beer (ie porter) was 4d (four old pence), "half-and-half" 6d and ale 8d. Clearly even though ale was stronger, and may have used better-quality ingredients, it wouldn't have cost twice as much as porter to produce, but could be sold at retail for twice as much as porter: an obvious incentive for the porter brewers to move into ale. (Also clearly, porter's cheapness, comparatively, must have been one of the reasons why it stayed the working class favourite for so long.)Martyn Cornellhttp://zythophile.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-6987956509272492912010-05-16T06:39:30.712-07:002010-05-16T06:39:30.712-07:00What's interesting though is that, while it ma...What's interesting though is that, while it may be nonsense, it's different nonsense to what was being written a few years ago.Rob Sterowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07870233673933087794noreply@blogger.com