tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post423198385435975688..comments2024-03-29T03:17:49.172-07:00Comments on Shut up about Barclay Perkins: Burton and the Licensing BillRon Pattinsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-86789375168799358802012-07-27T05:49:14.779-07:002012-07-27T05:49:14.779-07:00Yes, although the roles have been reversed in some...Yes, although the roles have been reversed in some ways.<br /><br />The Tories and Liberal Unionists who favoured an Imperial tariff regime saw it as a way of protecting domestic industry by excluding imports from outside the British Empire, a bit like the EU now (Joseph Chamberlain expressly modelled his plan on Bismarck's Zollverein in Germany). The Liberals who opposed it and said Britain should trade with the world not just its Empire are I suppose a bit like Tories now who say Britain should leave the EU and trade without tariff barriers with North and South America, Asia and Australasia.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09310220100267028274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-82309826713548197172012-07-27T05:45:50.388-07:002012-07-27T05:45:50.388-07:00Matt - don't forget "votes for women"...Matt - don't forget "votes for women". And, indeed, universal MALE suffrage, which didn't happen in GB until 1918.Martyn Cornellhttp://zythophile.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-43796306808684906922012-07-27T04:30:26.737-07:002012-07-27T04:30:26.737-07:00Matt, many of those expressing "health concer...Matt, many of those expressing "health concerns" about alcohol today are saying similar things to the temperance nutcases of the past. Camouflaged prohibitionism is what it is.<br /><br />And isn't the free trade debate a bit like the one about Europe today?Ron Pattinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-68406889327274855492012-07-27T01:52:30.831-07:002012-07-27T01:52:30.831-07:00The period just before the First World War is a fa...The period just before the First World War is a fascinating time in British politics, dominated by issues that have largely disappeared. <br /><br />As well as the mass temperance movement, which got the TUC to ban union meetings in pubs, you had Welsh Nonconformists being sent to prison for refusing to pay rates that subsidised the teaching of Anglicanism in state schools and arguments between the Liberals and Tories over free trade versus Imperial tariffs. There was also a proposal to reform the House of Lords. I must check how that's getting on...Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09310220100267028274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-66774495979852709272012-07-27T01:15:45.722-07:002012-07-27T01:15:45.722-07:00Marquis, the temperance movement had this crazy id...Marquis, the temperance movement had this crazy idea that pubs tempted the working classes to drink. Remove the pubs and you removed temptation. They weren't the most logical of thinkers. <br /><br />And it shows how their actions were really only aimed at the working classes. The btter off, who drank at home and had their booze delivered were unaffected by pub closures and restricted opening hours.Ron Pattinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-38501985586409364402012-07-27T00:20:38.838-07:002012-07-27T00:20:38.838-07:00Ironic isn't it that Pickford's is still g...Ironic isn't it that Pickford's is still going strong!<br />I can't see the logic in reducing the number of licensed premises as assisting the temperance movement.If a pub shuts people will go to another one.Even if a third hed been shut rhere would have been plenty left.<br /> Sounds like gesture politics.Like our local constabulary's triumph in tackling under age drinking by getting a couple of local supermarkets not to sell alcohol to under 25s on Thursdays and Fridays.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com