tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post2278214709431769861..comments2024-03-27T20:07:51.303-07:00Comments on Shut up about Barclay Perkins: Number of breweries in Europe 2009 - 2014Ron Pattinsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-66629593215773584232016-08-09T21:33:59.618-07:002016-08-09T21:33:59.618-07:00A bit late to the party, but +1 to Barm for the co...A bit late to the party, but +1 to Barm for the comment about new breweries making terrible beer. Honestly, we really don't need 100's of new breweries pumping out indistinct gawdawful IPAs and sour beers (in addition to imperial stouts, & etc...).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-44963052623377001242016-01-06T01:35:57.929-08:002016-01-06T01:35:57.929-08:00Elektrolurch,
the first wave of Dutch breweries m...Elektrolurch,<br /><br />the first wave of Dutch breweries mostly copied Belgian styles. It isn't a question of existing breweries suddenly making Ales, but of a huge wave of new brewery openings. It took me by surprise that there was suddenly this enormous energy in the Dutch beer scene that hadn't been there before. I can't see any trace of something similar happening in Germany. It looks more to me like the position in Holland 20 years ago: a few new breweries and interesting beers, but on the margins.Ron Pattinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-72510906353741297582016-01-06T01:31:02.126-08:002016-01-06T01:31:02.126-08:00Anonymous,
surprisingly, Switzerland didn't h...Anonymous,<br /><br />surprisingly, Switzerland didn't have much of a brewing industry until the late 19th century. It was a wine-drinking country until the vinyards were hit by phylloxera. I believe that the most new breweries are in French-speaking Switzerland.Ron Pattinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-18274881012264143272016-01-05T17:26:05.228-08:002016-01-05T17:26:05.228-08:00One thing that struck me was how Belgium has notic...One thing that struck me was how Belgium has noticably fewer breweries for its population than the UK. Belgium has 1/10th the number of UK breweries, but its population is about 1/6th of the UK.<br /><br />I was also struck by how many breweries Switzerland has -- 2/3 the population of Belgium but three times as many breweries; 1/8th the population of the UK but over 1/4th the number of breweries.<br /><br />You'd expect a lot of beer drinkers among German Swiss, but clearly the French and Italian populations are drinking a lot of beer and running new breweries too.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-32886300954744014762016-01-05T08:18:31.941-08:002016-01-05T08:18:31.941-08:00Do we really need hundreds of new breweries making...Do we really need hundreds of new breweries making terrible imperial stouts? Barmhttp://refreshingbeer.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-5355473606422624532016-01-05T07:46:08.736-08:002016-01-05T07:46:08.736-08:00Ron,
I have to admit I don't know much about U...Ron,<br />I have to admit I don't know much about UK beer culture. But with the netherlands, the few small breweries that were there before the new hype always have been a bit progressive, right? I mean T'ij for instance is there since the 80ies.<br />I'd argue that german beer culture is very different from that. Up until a few years ago, beer simply was not "fashionable" and "modern". Sure, you had a few tiny brewers that made something different, but basically also the newly founded brewpubs in the 1980ies in germany made Helles, Dunkles and Weizen.<br />And since a few years, that is slowly changing, and also the "bigger players", the mid sized breweries,the tiny ones, everyone is starting making Ales, no matter if they are in Berlin, Hamburg or Franconia- and I think that is the biggest change in germany, even if the numbers do not reflect that, but the culture around beer is changing. If for the better or for the worse is a totally different question.<br />I personally don't doubt the numbers, I'm just surprised by them......<br /><br /><br />Elektrolurchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08125383247159603656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-72222872214528024292016-01-05T07:41:35.888-08:002016-01-05T07:41:35.888-08:00Germany's overly conservative attitude towards...Germany's overly conservative attitude towards beer is stifling the potential. Any new breweries that pop up are just barely replacing those lost due to slow decay. If the government would just get out of the way it would become a growth industry. I don't buy that there is not a market for beer variety in Germany. 10 years ago my friends in Hamburg we're drinking nothing but Astra. Now they don't touch the stuff as they are now drinking the IPA's , Porters, etc. from new local breweries like Altes Madchen and Kellerbiers, Rauchbiers, Mahrs U, etc. from Franconia when they can get it. Stop fining companies for having the audacity to call a Milk Stout a beer and get out of the way and let it take off.Mark Andersenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151857584483533199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-41450906822707798112016-01-05T07:08:30.488-08:002016-01-05T07:08:30.488-08:00Elektrolurch,
but is Berlin typical of what is go...Elektrolurch,<br /><br />but is Berlin typical of what is going on in Germany as a whole? And how many breweries have sprung up? If you look at any decent-sized town in the UK or Holland, multiple new breweries have sprung up in the last couple of years. You'd expect a city the size or Berlin to have two or three dozen breweries.<br /><br />Ron Pattinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-40523334393794499822016-01-05T07:04:33.568-08:002016-01-05T07:04:33.568-08:00Lars Marius Garshol,
I suspect the same is true o...Lars Marius Garshol,<br /><br />I suspect the same is true of some other countries as the numbers do come from nationsl brewers' organisations. How complete they are varies considerably from country to country.Ron Pattinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-22718640590734863832016-01-05T04:48:46.806-08:002016-01-05T04:48:46.806-08:00Ron,
that is what surprises me because the scene a...Ron,<br />that is what surprises me because the scene and public interest in beers seems radically different than from 2009.<br />And even in brewery startups, the numbers SHOULD reflect that. Or are there still so many breweries dying that it evens out? <br /><br />I mean, when you compare, let's say, the Berlin beer scene alone from 2008 to today......<br /><br /><br />Elektrolurchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08125383247159603656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-31676981738052048002016-01-05T04:39:14.799-08:002016-01-05T04:39:14.799-08:00BryanB & Elektrolurch,
if you take a longer t...BryanB & Elektrolurch,<br /><br />if you take a longer timescale, the figures for Germany look even worse: flat for the last 20 years. On current trends, France, Italt and Spain could soon have mre breweries than Germany.<br /><br />I admit that pure brewery numbers don't tell the whole story. But it's clear that Germany is lagging behind most of Europe in brewery startups.Ron Pattinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-4944841292254172432016-01-05T04:37:01.977-08:002016-01-05T04:37:01.977-08:00Very interesting, and really just cries out for a ...Very interesting, and really just cries out for a diagram.<br /><br />What's even more interesting is that these numbers are lower than the real figures, because at the end of 2014 Norway had <a href="http://www.garshol.priv.no/blog/315.html" rel="nofollow">at least 121 breweries</a>, not just 77. I suspect 77 is the number of members of the Norwegian Brewers Association, which is significantly lower than the real figure. I assume the same applies to the other countries.Lars Marius Garsholhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15442220825022305581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-50882790153238690692016-01-05T03:17:51.948-08:002016-01-05T03:17:51.948-08:00Honestly, I think the figures don't reflect th...Honestly, I think the figures don't reflect the changes in the german beer scene the past few years. <br /><br />So maybe the numbers of breweries has not changed here, but the beers they brew have changed a lot since 2009...Elektrolurchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08125383247159603656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-18540054895170209362016-01-05T02:49:01.485-08:002016-01-05T02:49:01.485-08:00I'm a bit surprised by the German numbers too,...I'm a bit surprised by the German numbers too, but then it occurred to me that a lot of the recent additions there don't have their own brewing kit. They are either cuckoo brewers who contract the wet work to an existing brewery, or in some cases they are not even brewers - they have a brand/recipe/idea and hire a brewmaster and brewery to help develop it. Presumably neither would be included here, though as more and more cuckoos acquire brewkit that will change. BryanBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03550482701819539081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-34523581292742772792016-01-05T02:04:42.578-08:002016-01-05T02:04:42.578-08:00I need to put a statistical summary on my list of ...I need to put a statistical summary on my <a href="http://www.beoir.org/index.php/craft-beer-directories/a-z-of-ireland-s-beer-cider" rel="nofollow">list of Irish beer and cider companies</a>. Nobody ever gets the numbers right.The Beer Nuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105708522526153528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-4286238004417381522016-01-05T00:49:13.879-08:002016-01-05T00:49:13.879-08:00What does the future hold...?
Agglomeration?What does the future hold...?<br />Agglomeration?StuartPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13748038209546648459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-49241390917033705932016-01-05T00:20:54.325-08:002016-01-05T00:20:54.325-08:00The 200th Swedish brewery just opened...The 200th Swedish brewery just opened...Magnus Barkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14700081547823341666noreply@blogger.com