tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post1464341238079774180..comments2024-03-28T06:20:10.699-07:00Comments on Shut up about Barclay Perkins: On the management of Beer in private houses Ron Pattinsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-84294238988978400402018-03-25T05:30:34.884-07:002018-03-25T05:30:34.884-07:00Sic1314 - don't fall for the "fresh water...Sic1314 - don't fall for the "fresh water wasn't readily available" myth. And since the UK had some 220,000 farms in 1881, 72,000 brewers-not-for-sale licences strikes me as quite low: since farm brewing must have once been almost universal, it suggests that at the most fewer than a third of farmers were still brewing: and that's without knowing how many urban not-for-sale brewers there were.Martyn Cornellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16843357962176591317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-442792318576796192018-03-24T06:14:59.781-07:002018-03-24T06:14:59.781-07:00That's an amazing number for 1881. Would it ha...That's an amazing number for 1881. Would it have been common for some heavy industrial firms, say shipbuilders, mining companies, etc to have brewed for their own workers prior to fresh water being readily available?Sic1314https://www.blogger.com/profile/13483987336328474503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-7450052656671764292018-03-24T04:33:13.690-07:002018-03-24T04:33:13.690-07:00Sic1314,
towards the end of the 19th century. In ...Sic1314,<br /><br />towards the end of the 19th century. In 1881 there were 71,876 brewing licences for beer not for sale. By 1910 it was just 7,006.Ron Pattinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-73126134029785705472018-03-24T02:46:38.239-07:002018-03-24T02:46:38.239-07:00When did it cease being common for larger country ...When did it cease being common for larger country houses to have their own brewing kit a la Traquair?<br />Presumably in the times of your recent post showing almost 30,000 licence holders as recently as 1870 knowledge of how to take care of beer would have been very widespread; when many of these people surrendered their licences it would not have been unusual for them to still keep beer at home.Sic1314https://www.blogger.com/profile/13483987336328474503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-2147710522964237502018-03-17T10:51:03.945-07:002018-03-17T10:51:03.945-07:00@Edd - the quote is "generally four and a hal...@Edd - the quote is "generally four and a half or nine gallons". <br /><br />One can imagine country houses employing 10+ staff generally doing a lot of manual labour could easily crack through a firkin of smallish beer in a few days.qqnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-68689700865406380242018-03-16T11:36:07.027-07:002018-03-16T11:36:07.027-07:00Careful on markups - you're assuming that hous...Careful on markups - you're assuming that households bought beer at the same price as pubs did. In modern times, I've seen brewers put a 50% markup on retail cask sales over their prices to pubs.<br /><br />Still, it's not great for pubs, but equally they had a whole lot fewer costs to deal with, health & safety compliance etc!<br /><br />Compare with the wine trade where people still prefer wine aged in magnums over bottles, as maturation happens more slowly and "better" in the greater volume thanks to the lower surface area:volume ratio. I guess potentially a pin could have relatively more headspace to lose condition into than a kil? But the real problem is temperature stability in an age before air conditioning - cellars can have very stable temperatures but a laundry room won't!qqnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-12094248906774779312018-03-16T11:04:17.711-07:002018-03-16T11:04:17.711-07:00Matt ,
The small casks would have been either a p...Matt , <br />The small casks would have been either a pin @ 4.5 gallons or , a half anker@ 6 gals ,<br />Cheers<br />EddAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01359187309563791578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-82482806399801883252018-03-16T08:28:07.833-07:002018-03-16T08:28:07.833-07:00Although since "most" were getting the s...Although since "most" were getting the smaller sizes, "some" must therefore still have been buying bigger sizes. Were family homes in some cases really buying beer by the barrel? Even given the larger households of those days, that's a lot of beer to get through. How many days supply was a container (of whatever size) expected to be, in the home?<br /><br />Re the 25% thing: would pubs not be getting their beer in rather cheaper than the home consumer (wholesale vs retail) and therefore charging considerably more than a 25% mark-up?The Maltese Penguinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13693275203620288419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-48450411745951769222018-03-16T03:14:07.918-07:002018-03-16T03:14:07.918-07:00If you Youtube Alf Garnett Christmas 1966 they are...If you Youtube Alf Garnett Christmas 1966 they are sitting around drinking half pints out of dimples and there's a few shots of a wooden pin of beer on the sideboard (next to that famous round clock) with wedges under it. <br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0dNrYygc4oMike in NSWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06939148240936230971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-76880190530129342292018-03-16T02:23:16.450-07:002018-03-16T02:23:16.450-07:00I too was struck by his seeing the nine-gallon fir...I too was struck by his seeing the nine-gallon firkin as too small to condition beer properly in given that it's now pretty much the standard size in pub cellars.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00387170913578542671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-10088704133552167202018-03-16T02:20:55.676-07:002018-03-16T02:20:55.676-07:00I like the idea of having a cask beside the bed in...I like the idea of having a cask beside the bed instead of a teas made - right up your strasse I would have thought, Ron. <br /><br />Perhaps Dolores could have a nice Harvey's Best on her side to match your AK.<br /><br />Cheers!<br /><br />Benj65Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com