tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post4712247429812132888..comments2024-03-28T13:20:29.156-07:00Comments on Shut up about Barclay Perkins: Dark days for RotterdamRon Pattinsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-41134449182167520722011-03-20T01:47:56.944-07:002011-03-20T01:47:56.944-07:00Thomas, I've got brewing records for Heineken&...Thomas, I've got brewing records for Heineken's Rotterdam brewery going back to 1911. I've just never done very much with them. Bit too distracted with British ones.<br /><br />The further you go back, the lower the proportion of Pils.Ron Pattinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-81034975044117386462011-03-19T19:30:50.252-07:002011-03-19T19:30:50.252-07:00Very interesting! Do you have recipes for pre-war ...Very interesting! Do you have recipes for pre-war Dutch beer as well?<br /><br />It would be nice to get a snapshot of what Dutch brewing was like before the tsunami of light lager hit.Thomas Barnesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-86250666045898015842011-03-18T06:24:41.488-07:002011-03-18T06:24:41.488-07:00Thanks for that, Ron. I wonder what the national ...Thanks for that, Ron. I wonder what the national sales figures were in 1939 amongst those 4 categories.<br /><br />Possibility: the dark beers had more of a sale in rural areas than Rotterdam and Amsterdam.<br /><br />GaryGary Gillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-1709594175411279022011-03-18T05:44:10.123-07:002011-03-18T05:44:10.123-07:00Gary, there's a lot more dark Lager in the Hei...Gary, there's a lot more dark Lager in the Heineken brewing records than this report would have you believe.<br /><br />Heineken had four principal beers (these are the pre-war gravities):<br /><br />Pilsner 12º pale<br />Beiersche 12º dark<br />Donker Lagerbier 10º dark<br />Licht Lagerbier 10º pale<br /><br />Pilsner is probably less than 50% of the total.<br /><br />Most Dutch breweries still brewed a Münchener-style Dark LAger in the 1950's.<br /><br />And it's Donker Lagerbier, not the stronger Beiersche that the drinkers weren't keen on. Not just a different color, but also significantly weaker than Pils.Ron Pattinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-79891360298192284382011-03-18T05:00:19.924-07:002011-03-18T05:00:19.924-07:00It's noteworthy how dark lager was disdained e...It's noteworthy how dark lager was disdained even under adverse circumstances. No one (almost) liked it, yet it was only since the early 1900's - barely more than a generation - that blonde lager really get going in Europe, some exceptions apart, notably Pils-style beer. Bottom-fermentation itself was relatively new, and I'd have to think much of the old top-fermentation beer in Holland was darkish-coloured in the way West Flanders ale was, say.<br /><br />But by the 1940's, consumer preferences were fixed in what looks like a surprisingly modern pattern.<br /><br />GaryGary Gillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-76586302396239006222011-03-18T03:16:11.408-07:002011-03-18T03:16:11.408-07:00Ron
I would have thought "Unity Beer" wa...Ron<br />I would have thought "Unity Beer" was about right - that's what I tought it meant (mainly by analogy with the German "Einheitsbier").<br />Unity Beer, part of the war effort, showing Dutch resistance and Unity in the face of Nazi aggression. Drink piss weak beer and bring down Hiler!Rodnoreply@blogger.com