tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post2414312248468509791..comments2024-03-28T06:20:10.699-07:00Comments on Shut up about Barclay Perkins: Klosterbrauerei Weissenohe. Brauerei HofmannRon Pattinsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-81182669708448447962007-08-13T12:03:00.000-07:002007-08-13T12:03:00.000-07:00I have no complaints about Andy's choices. Rest da...I have no complaints about Andy's choices. Rest days ruled out some breweries, in any case.<BR/><BR/>In my opinion, the Vierzehnheiligen Nothelfer Urdunkel Export is a pretty good beer. I scored it 76 out of 100. It was quite different to the hoppy Dunkles mostly on offer in Franconia, but still damn tasty.Ron Pattinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-74029370380302565842007-08-11T02:43:00.000-07:002007-08-11T02:43:00.000-07:00AFA the authenticity of "Klosterbier" goes, well, ...AFA the authenticity of "Klosterbier" goes, well, there are breweries which are operated monastically, and those that ain't. (And those who contract their brewing out to a brewery?) In this case, it's pretty simple--there are two breweries in Franken that I know of that call their beers "Klosterbier", but which are completely secular: Weißenohe and Vierzehnheiligen (also unimpressive beers, given the region).<BR/><BR/>AFA Hofmann--I didn't know the brewer is a Brauerin (breweress)! That place *is* wonderful; bummer is that the bottled beer is often butterscotchy. It's a pretty hard 2 hour bike ride for me to get there, and now that you mention it, I ain't been there yet this summer.<BR/><BR/>Who am I to question Andy's itenerary? I just don't get some of his choices in breweries to visit. The fränkische Schweiz is so *loaded* with great little places, like Br. Ott a couple of miles farther up the road from Aichinger, which I'd have recommended in lieu of Aichinger, for example.<BR/><BR/>Ich freue mich auf deinen weiteren Kommentar!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-78795468683347190972007-08-10T13:48:00.000-07:002007-08-10T13:48:00.000-07:00Nickb,the Weissenohe beers were pleasant enough, b...Nickb,<BR/><BR/>the Weissenohe beers were pleasant enough, but Hofmann was much better. Will, too. And Aichinger. <BR/><BR/>The whole Klosterbiere bit is often fantasy rather than fact. Most are just small commercial breweries operating from a former monastery. Nothing wrong with that, if the beer quality is good.<BR/><BR/>If you offered me a pub in Amsterdam selling Weissenohe's four draught beers, I would go there and drink them. World-shattering they aren't, just good, solid beers. <BR/><BR/>Will. Now there really was an outstanding beer. It got my highest mark. <BR/><BR/>Surely you must love Frau Hofmann's quirky Dunkles? Or at least her dumplings. She trapped me with her dumplings.<BR/><BR/>"Come on love. Show me your dumplings."Ron Pattinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-11851974131056839222007-08-10T08:06:00.000-07:002007-08-10T08:06:00.000-07:00The Weißenoher beers are quite disappointing when ...The Weißenoher beers are quite disappointing when compared to real Klosterbier(s). This is perhaps in part because the brewery hasn't been an actual *Kloster* brewery for a couple of centuries now. The Kloster was secularised in 1803, sold off to private parties, and the last brewing monk gave up in 1827.<BR/><BR/>The family that's owned the brewery ever since gave up the Biergarten/Gaststätte during WWII, and only reopened them in 2000.<BR/><BR/>From what I understand, there's nothing "Kloster"ish about the brewery or beers...it's just another private brewery. Calling them "Klosterbiere"...not sure if I should say this is disingenuous or not, but...<BR/><BR/>Never been impressed with them--a bit husky and just not quite, well, right.<BR/><BR/>Next time you're down, we'll go for quaLity over quaNTity! Would like to have met you & Andy--the latte to try and suggest some better places for next time!<BR/><BR/>Shame you lot didn't get to a couple of authentic Klosterbrauereien--Mallersdorf and Kreuzberg. The former, which I've yet to visit, is run by the world's only brewing nun. The latter is in a spectacular mountain/hill-top location. (Not that Weltenburg isn't an authentic Kloster in a spectacular location, mind.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-30048839080717732282007-08-09T12:39:00.000-07:002007-08-09T12:39:00.000-07:00Yes, the Wiessenohe dunkles was indeed smoky - jus...Yes, the Wiessenohe dunkles was indeed smoky - just about the smokiest beer we had (excluding the rauchbiers, naturally).<BR/><BR/>I look very hungover in that photo. I think I started recovering on my second mug of Hofmann, and felt sweet as from then on.Stonchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15927490011165896353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-85754711205610578022007-08-09T12:38:00.000-07:002007-08-09T12:38:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stonchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15927490011165896353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-89194644284927771962007-08-09T12:12:00.000-07:002007-08-09T12:12:00.000-07:00Funny you should mention a wood fire. That's why I...<I>Funny you should mention a wood fire. That's why I've got a photo of wood and coal.</I><BR/><BR/>Oh dear. I guess it is 5am here - think I'll go with that as my excuse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-70251300053128664082007-08-09T11:53:00.000-07:002007-08-09T11:53:00.000-07:00I would call it's colour mid brown. About like La ...I would call it's colour mid brown. About like La Trappe Dubbel. <BR/><BR/>Funny you should mention a wood fire. That's why I've got a photo of wood and coal. They use those to fire a boiler. Though they don't use direct heat on the copper.<BR/><BR/>My Weyermann's booklet lists Vienna malt as having an EBC value of 7 to 9. Slightly darker than their pale ale malt at 5.5 to 7.5. But Hofmann don't use Weyermann malt. Most of the breweries did, but not Hofmann. So I'm not sure how dark Vienna malt is. <BR/><BR/>I was surprised when the brewer said she used 100% Vienna malt. The finished beer was much darker than I would have expected.Ron Pattinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-3001215368887645602007-08-09T11:28:00.000-07:002007-08-09T11:28:00.000-07:00So... a Dunkles made with 100% Vienna malt? What c...So... a Dunkles made with 100% Vienna malt? What colour was it? Are they doing long decoctions, boiling over a wood fire, etc. to get colour?<BR/><BR/>A standard gravity beer made with 100% Vienna by modern methods could pass for a Helles (I know because I've done it - with Weyermann Wiener Malz.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-37432912528268951032007-08-09T10:13:00.000-07:002007-08-09T10:13:00.000-07:00When I say Dunkles I mean a dark lager. Altfränkis...When I say Dunkles I mean a dark lager. <BR/><BR/>Altfränkisch is an amber lager. As I recall (I just had a sip of someone else's) it wasn't much different from the Märzen: malty, a bit nutty, moderately hoppy.Ron Pattinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-40958773096696687592007-08-09T10:06:00.000-07:002007-08-09T10:06:00.000-07:00Are these Dunkels you mention wheat beers or lager...Are these Dunkels you mention wheat beers or lagers? Most fascinating about the absence of munich malt. And the Altfränkisch you had at the Klosterbrauerei Weissenohe - was it a lager? How did it taste? (Sorry, I know you had a million beers out there.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com