tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post1311039216083383304..comments2024-03-28T13:20:29.156-07:00Comments on Shut up about Barclay Perkins: Scottish Mild 1909 - 1914Ron Pattinsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-27952463794346070372009-11-20T04:46:08.322-08:002009-11-20T04:46:08.322-08:00Durn it, the SBA search room is closed until Febru...Durn it, the SBA search room is closed until February now. I was going to go and have a look too.Rob Sterowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07870233673933087794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-20123806613842366662009-11-18T07:10:41.458-08:002009-11-18T07:10:41.458-08:00Oops here it is, from 1867:
http://books.google.c...Oops here it is, from 1867:<br /><br />http://books.google.com/books?id=Q9YNAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA295&dq=Dickens+%2Bscotch+ale+%2B+smoky#v=onepage&q=&f=falseGary Gillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-16943537998798274312009-11-18T06:58:53.959-08:002009-11-18T06:58:53.959-08:00At page 295 of the attached, a publication either ...At page 295 of the attached, a publication either by or with some connection to Charles Dickens, the opinion is offered that Scotch Ale is "disagreeably sweet and smoky". <br /><br />This is some evidence that some Scotch Ale used malt kilned either on peat or wood. <br /><br />Jim Robertson, an American beer writer in the 1970's, noted a "roast bacon" taste in a classic scotch ale of that time. <br /><br />There must have been a tradition of using malt kilned in a way to get that effect, and therefore, in my view, the use of smoky malt precedes the current efforts of craft brewers.<br /><br />GaryGary Gillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-44168561651263155862009-11-18T06:29:44.051-08:002009-11-18T06:29:44.051-08:00Matt, where to start on that one.
OK, they don&#...Matt, where to start on that one. <br /><br />OK, they don't understand even what the shilling designation means: its the wholesale price of a 54-gallon hogshead. Nothing to do with tax.<br /><br />While the shilling system was being used as a reflection of the price, any change in prices meant the beer designations changed, too. This is particularly obvious post-WW I.<br /><br />I'd still love someone to say what Wee Heavy is exactly, other than a brand name of Fowler's brewery. The 90/- Sparkling Ales of the interwar period were piss-weak Light Bitters.<br /><br />There's probably more crap talked about Scottish styles than any other beers.Ron Pattinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-36454283087895612132009-11-18T05:18:02.412-08:002009-11-18T05:18:02.412-08:00Barm, I'm fairly certain that Mild never quite...Barm, I'm fairly certain that Mild never quite died out in Scotland. I drank Scottish Mild in the 1970's (Maclay and Belhaven).<br /><br />It should be easy enough to check. The Scottish Brewing Archive has records that span the period in question. I'll have the answer after my next visit to Glasgow.Ron Pattinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-3031565910483170562009-11-18T05:16:49.969-08:002009-11-18T05:16:49.969-08:00This is the homebrewing one Ron: I'm sure you&...This is the homebrewing one Ron: I'm sure you'll have fun picking it apart.<br /><br />"Wee Heavy, also known as Strong Scotch Ale or 90 Shilling (sometimes abbreviated 90/-), is the strongest of the Scottish beer styles, with alcohol content and original gravity in some cases rivaling Barley Wine. Like many Scottish beers, it is sweet and malt-oriented. Although sometimes called 90/-, the actual tax rates on this beer could be as high as 160/- for the strongest versions. <br /><br />As with all Scottish beer styles, there is no good evidence of peat smoked malt, which was commonly used in making whiskey, being used in the brewing of Wee Heavy. However, some modern brewers both inside and outside of Scotland have used this traditional Scotch malt in brewing as well, usually in the heavier beers such as Scottish Export Ale and especially Wee Heavy. <br /><br />The BJCP recognizes Wee Heavy, and the GABF also defines a separate style for versions brewed with peat smoked malt."Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09310220100267028274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-34018335304494636242009-11-18T04:41:55.725-08:002009-11-18T04:41:55.725-08:00Part of the problem, I think, is that real ale alm...Part of the problem, I think, is that real ale almost died out in Scotland and we don't have the unbroken tradition that England does. <br /><br />I don't have the research to back this up, but I will stick my neck out and put forward the thesis that Scottish Mild died out. <br /><br />What was sold as Light or 60/– post-WWII, I am inclined to think, was a weak Pale Ale, not any sort of Mild. Certainly McEwan's Light or 60/– was called Pale Ale when packaged, and I think Belhaven's still is (if you can find it).<br /><br />I welcome evidence that proves me wrong.Rob Sterowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07870233673933087794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-84633291020843332512009-11-18T04:31:59.014-08:002009-11-18T04:31:59.014-08:00Whoops! I think I accidentally just discarded a po...Whoops! I think I accidentally just discarded a post here. One quoting from Homebrewtalk. Sorry about that. Would the author like to resubmit it?Ron Pattinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-81411010265652657722009-11-18T03:04:58.552-08:002009-11-18T03:04:58.552-08:00Matt, the shilling system is incredibly confusing....Matt, the shilling system is incredibly confusing. It tells you nothing except the relative price of a beer. It tells you nothing about what style in might be.<br /><br />Wee heavy - what is actually meant by that? I'm pretty sure that the "wee" part just means that it came in nip bottles. Anyway my guess would be 252/-. Because Fowler's Strong Ale was called 12 Guinea Ale.Ron Pattinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5445569787371915337.post-78684598334281900642009-11-18T02:14:11.641-08:002009-11-18T02:14:11.641-08:00I confess to struggling with Scottish beer classif...I confess to struggling with Scottish beer classification: CAMRA's 'Good Bottled Beer Guide' claims '60/-, or light, is the Scottish equivalent of a mild'. I see from the table however that Scottish milds actually ranged from 42/- to 100/- . What would a 'wee heavy'/old ale be in the shilling system?Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09310220100267028274noreply@blogger.com